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Question THREDBO INSTRUCTORS Please explain

Discussion in 'Thredbo' started by lonsdale, Jul 10, 2016.

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  1. Ralph_implement

    Ralph_implement A Local

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    As an instructor that would be your choice.
     
  2. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was taught that adults have privileges, because they're grown ups and that you, young child, have no say, whatsoever. Has worked well for generations, until now. :rolleyes:
     
  3. cin

    cin Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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  4. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    My kid decided he didn't want to wear helmets one day. I didn't argue. A quick stop at the ticket office and his pass stopped working for the rest of the day.

    Funny, there wasn't any further issues.
     
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  5. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    An instructor should not have to go through that "pain". The organisation should take it out of play.
     
  6. cin

    cin Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Was just sayin!
     
  7. Ralph_implement

    Ralph_implement A Local

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    Well, they don't at the moment and there are no issues. If an instructor wanted to get rid of that manufactured "pain" they could just wear a helmet, it is not prohibited.
     
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    vibe++ One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Stop it cin, legs will have all instructors wearing manssieres next:D
     
  9. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Of course not. But when your kids become sentient you can deal with the dichotomy. Well, maybe not your kids who are probably robots. Anyway, if you have a bunch of bolshie kids, the scope for bolshevism is reduced if authority figures (like instructors) are obviously with the programme.
     
  10. Untele-whippet

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    How many heads does your child have? :evil:
    Must be a Perisher thing! :eek:
    It's the problem with children these days, too many heads, the helmet manufacturers can't keep up with the demand!
    The poorly paid ski instructors miss out!
     
  11. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm now waiting for the different speed lanes down every run. Just like your local 50m pool.
     
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  12. Ralph_implement

    Ralph_implement A Local

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    OK, but that should be (and is, without issue at the moment) the instructors choice, not the ski schools.
     
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    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Feck me. What a cluster-**** of a thread.
     
  14. Ralph_implement

    Ralph_implement A Local

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    Helmet thread.
     
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    coolair One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I need to wear a hard hat at times for work when the only danger is a bird shiting on my head
    Management will change their mind fast when they get a court case for not providing PPE.
    Plenty of danger on Friday flat.
     
  16. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Excellent idea!
     
  17. Astro66

    Astro66 Still looking for a park in Thredbo Ski Pass: Gold

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    One head. Several helmets.

    Hence why helmets is plural. Head is singular.

    Phaaark .......... How do I Soar ....... <shakes head>


    :D
     
  18. luvthabumps

    luvthabumps A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't believe my kids have ever questioned why they need to wear a helmet. It's a generational thing that they've grown up with now and they never even mention it. Mrs LTB only started wearing one a few years ago and me maybe 5 years before that (our eldest is 20)

    When we were about to put our eldest on skis for the first time 18 years ago and we were buying gear, the guy in the shop asked if we wanted a helmet and we said "No thanks, he'll just be shuffling around on the beginner slopes" The reply was "you're not trying to save him from himself at this stage, you're trying to save him for all the other peanuts on Bourke St who could take him out accidentally"

    From then on all our kids wore helmets. He's now 20 - it's his choice if he wears a helmet now. He still chooses too but if he decided to take it off, I would understand that he was making a well considered decision after 18 years of skiing both socially and competitively.

    As much as we all wear them in our family and nearly all our friends now wear them (particularly after that terrible accident our friend had in the Chutes a couple of years back) I don't really have a huge issue if Ski Patrol and the instructors aren't wearing them. Up to a certain age kids should be wearing them 1. to protect themselves somewhat from being hit and 2. because their skill level is far below what they think it is in terms of getting into and out of trouble. By the time they are skilled enough to get in and out of trouble you should be able to have a sensible conversation about the pros and cons of wearing one or they may just have gotten so used it that it's second nature.
     
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  19. marv hucker

    marv hucker One of Us

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    Only bought a helmet last year and now I seriously don't even think about it. Just put it on. Habitual.
    Suspect many have the same experience.
    Also suspect any new safety measure in any field (seatbelts... drink driving... helmets on building sites) had similar push back at first.

    Still, mildly surprised it's not mandated by Thredbo. What people do in their own time is one thing, while they're on the clock another. Most managements take the view of managing as many real (and possible) risks they can. Any excuse for a good safety bulletin & staff policy... one of the current offices put out a safety bulletin for walking up & down stairs (!!), no word of a lie.
     
  20. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Going back to the OP, an Instructor wearing a helmet will do nothing to ensure your child saftey. The instructor ensures your childs saftey by only stopping in safe places, looking before entering a trail with their students and taking the class to appropriate terrain. A helmet might be a useful example, but that's all it is in the context of a ski school class.

    Thredbo is a bit of a hold out. All Vic resorts require Instructors wear helmets and I'm pretty sure Perisher and CP followed suit this season. The reason for helmets on instructors is WHS. Its also used as marketing to try and overcome the greater communities concerns about skiing being a "dangerous" sport.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    The APSI doesn't have any influence over wether or not instructors have to wear helmets on the job, that is a decision of each resort. APSI trainers have always had to wear helmets at resorts where helmets are compulsory for working Instructors. Also for the last two seasons APSI trainers have had to wear helmets at all courses (other than Nordic). The APSI can't compel people on courses to wear helmets but it does encourage it.
    Once again WHS reasons and to be compatible with the branding messages of resorts who are using helmets as a part of branding skiing as a "safe" sport.
     
  22. marv hucker

    marv hucker One of Us

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    Literally their entire job is setting an example! Which is the main reason I'm surprised it hasn't been pushed harder.

    Yep. Whether it's actually been proven to make a difference is somewhat beside the point... if someone falls whilst working and bonks their head, the questions will come out.
     
  23. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Helmets do SFA to improve skier saftey. If you want to be safe, ski to your ability, ski to the conditions, look uphill before you start skiing, don't stop where you cant be seen, ski as consistent a line as you possibly can and if you're not doing any of the above be aware of uphill traffic and make sure it doesn't hit you.

    In other words the way to be safe is to not put yourself into a position where you're going to be hurt. Only after you have done everything you can to not be in a position where you will be hurt are helmets going to increase your saftey. Even then their impact will be marginal because you're more likely to damage a knee, break a leg, damage an arm or shoulder or crack some ribs. Head injuries are the exception rather than the norm in recreational skiing, yet we all happily go skiing without braces and body armour to protect ourselves from injuries we are more likely to sustain.

    Helmets have taken off and have been marketed heavily because they create a perception of safety, whether or not the skier is skiing safely. They are an easily purchased fix.

    Teaching safe skiing and keeping students safe (which is the most important thing most students don't notice during a lesson) is where you can make a real impact on safety, rather than the window dressing of ski helmets.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, WHS and marketing.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    They stop the goggle strap from biting into the back of your head.
     
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    Biggest helmet wearing influence is peer pressure and marketing. Instructing is an exceptionally safe form of employment where in Australia the most dangerous part of the job is getting too and from work.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I lose 20 years when I put mine on, I look younger, fitter, stronger! I can tell by the shocked looks when I take it off for a coffee.
     
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    Gets pretty quick skiing head first into a tree, just ask Sonny Bono ;)
     
  29. sastrugi

    sastrugi At the centre of it all Ski Pass: Gold

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    ROFL
     
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    sastrugi At the centre of it all Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't think the safety of the instructors is the point being discussed here. It's the role of the educator setting examples for students, particularly kids. It's not compulsory to wear helmets riding horses either but you would NEVER see a riding instructor on a horse without a helmet no matter what level their riding skill.
     
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    Hasn't saved you from the trauma-induced amnesia then!
     
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    I bought and wore a helmet for the first time ever two seasons ago in order to retain moral high ground in forcing 13yo boy-child to wear one. I'd never hit my head in 30+ years of skiing before then. First day out, near the middle of Antons, caught an edge on ice, full slingshot, WHACK! with the helmet on the snow. Stars, tweety birds, the whole bit for a few minutes. I hate to think how I would have been without a helmet. I haven't skied a day without one since.
    Last year, same thing - first day (first run, in fact) - halfway down a little gully at Perisher, caught an edge,, big cartwheel, another head slam. Come to think of it, this year I might just give the first day a miss!
     
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    Interesting, I had a similar experience - a few years ago, telling then teenage daughter "you have to wear a helmet..." and the saga of getting her to wear one (when I wasn't wearing one)

    When I eventually got one myself, no more discussions, arguments,... nothing - she just wore the helmet

    I should have got one years ago.

    If you expect your kids to wear one, you should wear one
     
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    At the risk of repeating myself, reinforced by being able to point at a respected, professional instructor who is also wearing one.
     
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    I can't figure that this discussion is still really going on... If you want to wear one - fine, if you don't - fine.... Other than the requirement for employers (the ski school) to provide a safe system of work (for employees) i can't see that this is in any way more than personal opinion....
     
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    Just pick an instructor who is wearing one when you point if you need that sort of thing to help you parent. No need to make it compulsory, plenty wear them as their own choice.
     
  37. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    How do you propose to deal with "But my instructor doesn't wear one?"
     
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    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    " Your instructor isn't learning new skills and skiing at the edge of his or her ability. You are."

    Problem solved.
     
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    My young bloke had to wear a helmet from day one. Never asked once why he had to, as that was the deal if he wanted to ski. He's old enough now to make up his own mind now, doesn't wear one and that's his choice. He would never have even thought about questioning the wisdom or advice of adult instructors when in Milo school or even later because he knew what respect was.
     
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    Compulsory at Perisher from this season.

    Compulsory for all staff skiing or boarding in fact.
     
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    Look what all the nannies did

    Stralya
     
  42. Ralph_implement

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    This.
     
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    Or you can avoid problematic reasoning with a child and enforce helmet wearing by the instructors of children, consistent with the ski school policy of having pupils wearing helmets. Children like consistency.
     
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    Or a ski school can let parents parent.
     
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    Or the ski school could assist the parents.

    How old are your kids? I think you are in for an interesting few years.
     
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    6, 6, 5 and 2.5.

    I don't expect any help from a ski school. If I choose for my children to wear helmets, they will wear them.
     
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    And expensive ones.
     
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    Ralph_implement A Local

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    Tell me a story!!!!
     
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    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you decide they have to wear helmets do you expect ski instructors to hinder that decision by setting a contrary example?
     
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    Ralph_implement A Local

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    I expect ski instructors to teach my children. I have little regard for their attire provided it is on.

    So far so good.
     
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