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Thredbo to Charlotte Pass Chair

Discussion in 'Thredbo' started by andrew6736, May 23, 2006.

  1. benchives

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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    I think that is a traffic issue, no?
     
  2. Mr. Mook

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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    it could be that the photos have been deleted from the site the were hosted on.
    Are you able to see the photos in other threads?
    If not then it sounds like there could be a setting to turn on downloading of pictures. Some portable devices have different ways of reducing your usage by turning off different features.
     
  3. VSG

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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    If you are talking about early pages like page 1, from 2006, then it means the picture has been taken off the web and or address changes. I too use an ipad. [​IMG]
     
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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    Just call your 24/7 tech support helpdesk.
     
  5. Tropposkier

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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    Ta VSG... someone that makes sense...
     
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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    Oh also thanks mr mood u 2 are also bright.
     
  7. benchives

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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    Hey VSG I sometimes remember you getting screenshots of old webpages from some site, would I be wrong in assuming the pics Tropposkier would be there?
     
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  8. VSG

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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    If the site has archived images posted to pages, there may be a chance. Link
     
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  9. benchives

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    Thanks for the link, I'll trawl and rehost if I can [​IMG]
     
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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    Did Diponza ever publish his book on this topic?
     
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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    I'm still year or two away from being in the position to publish - I'm still deep in the research phase.
     
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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    OK thanks.
     
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  13. Shahin

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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    <ahref=http://www.anasmartweb.net>cpa nature</a>
    This is a great site.
     
  14. MisterMxyzptlk

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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and bet that rather than being a great site it's actually a stinking pile of spam that has fouled one of the great ski.com.au threads
     
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    Re: Thredbo chair to charlottes pass

    sp, you need to hit the notify button with this kind of stuff.
    I just did but was surprised you hadn't already.
     
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    Wow, fantastic read, cant wait for the book, please put me on the list

    Hatto
     
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    Will do but I'm not so sure when it will be ready. The further I dig, the more leads surface and therefore I am now contemplating whether I will be able to complete all the research in time to have the book published and ready for a 2014 June long weekend release, the 50th anniversary of the chairlift's official opening. The Thredbo Historical Society and NPWS have recently expressed interest in the subject and consequently there is a possibility that the book release may also coincide with an exhibition dedicated to the story.
     
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    We walked the chairlift route in January 1013. We took the track past the off-load (top)of the Kosciuzsko Triple Chair up to the saddle just below Mt Stilwell and then went direct to where Main Range View Station was. From there we visited all of the station sites to the bottom at the Alpine Way. Took us about 6.5 hours which allowed us time to photograph and explore what ie left up there. Towers are generally dismantled and left stacked up. Others are simply strewn in the undergrowth. From where Snowline Station was on the Alpine Way side, the going gets pretty steep and there's almost 50 years of regrowth to battle through - not to be recommended for the faint-hearted but as Diponza said, not impossible. Wish I could work out how to load some photos of what we found but I can't find any information as how to do this.
     
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    Many thanks Ian. I'll do this and hopefully have some pictures posted to update everyone what it looks like today.
     
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    That would be great. Look forward to seeing them.
     
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    05 January 2013 - The site of the notorious Tower 15

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    Thanks Diponza. [​IMG]
     
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    http://s1276.beta.photobucket.com/user/arrowjock/media/SnowlineStation_4_zps92c1951d.jpg.html

    Snowline Station remains as at January 5, 2013.

    http://s1276.beta.photobucket.com/user/a...?sort=3&o=1
    Lots of these parts found the whole way along the lift line.

    http://s1276.beta.photobucket.com/user/arrowjock/media/BellaVistaStation_3_zps55c3c0d1.jpg.html

    http://s1276.beta.photobucket.com/user/a...6e44de.jpg.html
    This is a point about halfway between the Top Station seen in the distance and Bella Vista further down the slope towards the Alpine Way side. There are numerous Switching Stations for the underground electricity supply which divided this up into sections to simplify locating problems when lightning strikes damaged the cable, disrupting supply. Further down the mountain the switching equipment and cabling is still in place and in pristine condition.

    http://s1276.beta.photobucket.com/user/a...?sort=3&o=2
    Inside a Switching Station
     
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    Whiteman A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks Arrowjock, great shots. Relics of a time now long past.

    (I'm sure VSG or any of the photo gurus will be able to put them up so they show)
     
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    Thanks for posting those Jock. What was th floor of the switching stations like? Sealed concrete? Mud? Wood?
     
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    And are the doors still present and functioning?
     
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    I did the same in 1982 with a mate .was tough going even then from the top into the thredbo valley .Found mid station comming down the hill) was surprised to find it as i didn't know it existed found the timber deck to be in very good condition at the time .Is it still there ?

    sorry just saw the photo of snowline station not much left ,what was the purpose of this station
     
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    From what I've been told, this station only survives because it was in the tree line. Apparently all the other stations were dismantled and the timber burnt on site by the NPWS. Since Snowline was within the tree line, it seems that common sense prevailed and it was spared due to the risk of starting a bush fire.

    Snowline was a pick up point for at least one ski run that was cut through the trees. Below this point, the terrain drops off and it is extremely steep.
     
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    The floor is a concrete slab which was formed up short by about 200mm from the wall opposite the entry door to provide a penetration zone for the cables.
     
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    Those below the tree line are.

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    Concrete. The switch stations down the mountain on the Alpine Way side are still in very good order - almost like time capsules. The reason being is that they are deeply buried in the bush and undergrowth & not easy to find. It was very difficult to know whether we were on track on the actual lift line and resorted to using a compass bearing - checking at very rapid intervals. We knew we were in line because of what we found. switch stations are situated beside the lift line at approx every 3-400 metres.
     
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    Thanks VSG, That's great. I'm only just getting my head around how to actually make the images appear on this forum. All a learning curve!
     
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    No worries Arrowjock. You were halfway there. You'd copied in the address of the web page on which your photos sit. You need to find the actual photo address in each case. Thus. [​IMG]

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    Great photos Arrowjock.

    Interesting to see Transfield's name on the sheave assembly. I wouldn't have thought sheave design/construction would've been once of their strengths - could explain much about the issues they had with the sheaves on this lift. It certainly puts to rest the question as to whether Mueller had any involvement in constructing the towers and sheaves; Diponza would likely have more insight into this too I'd expect.....
     
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    Transfield was originally a company that specialised in power transmission, and they recruited a lot of specialist Europeans who had experience in electricity power stations, and stringing high tension wires from power pylons in remote areas. ie Snowy Mountains to Sydney.

    They did a lot of work on the NSW power stations and cable infrastructure.

    They then moved into other heavy and very heavy engineering, one big early project that really kick started them being the steelwork for the Cahill Expressway over Circular Quay.
     
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    This pic exemplifies how the altitude, the frost hollow have conspired to minimise regrowth on this section of the lift path.

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    Realising the opportunities that post-war Australia offered, Transfield quickly spread its wings after the completion of its first contract, which involved heavy structural steel fabrication and erection, to branch out into the allied fields of high voltage transmission lines and major civil works involved in the construction of power stations.

    With its initial experience in heavy engineering, branching out into ski-lifts seemed like a logical and consequential next step for the fledgling company. As this era coincided with the rapid expansion of Australia's skifields, the favourable market conditions offered Transfield another opportunity for diversification which has long since become a trademark of the company to adapt and embrace the circumstances of the day. Prior to this project, Transfield cut its teeth as the head contractor on site for numerous Mueller designed ski-lifts including the original Crackenback Chairlift in 1958 and the Mount Perisher Double in 1961. Since there wasn’t any other Australian firm specialising in ski-lift design and construction at the time, Transfield quickly moved to fill and consolidate the void in the market by advertising its services in the ski literature of the day. Consequently it was only a matter of time before Transfield, which has always looked ahead towards greener pastures, decided to take the plunge to design and fabricate a ski-lift in house.

    That sheave was designed by engineers in Transfield’s North Sydney design office towards the end of 1962 and subsequently cast and machined by another company that specialised in that type of work. From what I understand, there wasn’t anything wrong with the design of the Transfield sheave itself, but rather the rubber lining used. In fact most of the sheaves lying on the mountainside still spin freely. Their reliability is underpinned by the fact that some of them were utilised on the Jamberoo Chairlift where I understand they are still working perfectly today.

    The only Mueller component employed on the Alpine Way to Charlotte Pass Chairlift was the aluminium grip. Subsequently some of these grips were also utilised on the Jamberoo Chairlift. They have since been reinforced in a steel skeleton, and as far as I know, are still attached to the rope today.
     
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    Inverted tree line.
     
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    I think you may have confused some of your information with Electric Power Transmission Pty Ltd, or E.P.T. as it was better known. E.P.T. was founded in 1951 as the Australian subsidiary of the Italian multinational, SAE, the world leader in the design, fabrication and erection of high voltage transmission lines. Until it was subsumed in 1988 by its parent company, ABB, E.P.T. was the unrivaled leader in high voltage transmission lines in Australia. Whenever one sees a transmission line in Australia, there is probably a 70-80% chance that it was constructed by E.P.T. The history of E.P.T. is another wonderful success story of post-war Australia however that is a tale for another forum.

    Without E.P.T., Transfield would never have been established. In 1956, after they were overlooked for promotion, two of the original E.P.T. employees, engineers Franco Belgiorno and Carlo Salteri, founded their own company, Transfield, in direct competition to their former employer. Transfield’s first contract, which was awarded while Belgiorno and Salteri were still employed by E.P.T., was for the fabrication and erection of structural steel for a building at the Port Kembla steelworks. Even though the company was established with the hope of getting into the lucrative field of transmission lines, in which E.P.T. held the monopoly, it wasn’t until 1958, and as a result of favourable political connections, that Transfield landed its first transmission line contract. Yet even then the fledging company could only carry out the fabrication and erection of the steel towers. Using its political connections, it was arranged for the client to pay for the steel while Transfield basically supplied only the labour. Apparently once the towers were erected, E.P.T. was then subcontracted to carry out the specialised operation of stringing the cables. The beginning of Transfield is a very interesting story about how to get a company up and running when all the odds are stacked against you.

    Being a privately owned company and headed by the visionary Franco Belgiorno, Transfield branched out to all corners of the Australian construction landscape to ruthlessly exploit the favorable opportunities of the time. Transfield prided itself on diversification and adapting to the market conditions in order to constantly be at the head of the pack, and therefore despite establishing a foothold in transmission lines while becoming the regional leader in the construction of power stations, the company also branched out into the manufacturing of aircraft and of course ski-lifts. These activities were in addition to non-engineering pursuits such as establishing a winery and sponsoring the arts in the form of the Transfield Art Prize, which would later morph into the Biennale of Sydney. However heavy steel fabrication and erection remained at the core of the company’s activities until the late 1990s when management made the decision to close all of its workshops. When the post-war construction boom started to contract, Transfield again showed foresight by diversifying its activities and moving into the lucrative armaments industry through the construction of frigates for the Australian Defence Force. Transfield would also become the leader in BOOT (build-own-operate-transfer) projects, with the Sydney Harbour Tunnel being the jewel in the crown.

    The reference to Transfield’s involvement in building the Cahill Expressway is interesting although based on my research to date, I strongly doubt that the company was involved. Where did you source this information? My understanding is that the Cahill Expressway was erected prior to the founding of Transfield.
     
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    Yes, you are right about EPT. I had that a bit arse about. My memory is a bit hazy on some of this older stuff now but I was pretty sure they won the contract to supply all the big steel girders for the Cahill & the rail bridge. I may be slightly askew on that. It's a fascinating story the Transfield story.

    I remember an old timer telling me that the big thing that changed the company was when they got big cranes to lift the steel, particularly for the power station work.

    The early power stations like Vales Point and Munnmorah where essentially built with toy cranes that could lift only 5 ton or something like that.
     
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    Both Transfield and E.P.T. eventually assembled fleets of cranes that were the envy of the rest of the industry. Those early power station projects that you mention were probably erected with Derrick cranes.

    However cranes were not able to be used on this project because at the time of construction, all vehicles were banned on the mountain which created enormous logistical problems when it came to material handling. To get around the problem, Transfield employed the Chalet’s Muskeg Bombardier to transport materials from Charlotte Pass. On the Alpine Way side where the terrain is much steeper, a flying fox was erected that stretched from the river to just above the tree line. All the footings were excavated by a combination of gelignite and digging by hand with shovels. Bags of cement, sand and aggregate were transported to the site of the each footing and mixed by hand on the spot. This stage also involved the four (4) stub legs being transported to each site and cast into the footing as was the standard practice for high voltage transmission lines. Once the footings were complete, the steel angle for an entire tower was delivered in individual bundles to the relevant footing. The erection of the towers was also inspired by the erection procedures for high voltage transmission lines. Each piece of angle was numbered and each tower was assembled in sections by hand on the ground and then lifted into position with the assistance of a simple erection jib with a winch that was known as a Falcone. A helicopter was then later employed to lift the heavier components that were the crossheads and the sheave assemblies.

    The fact that Transfield was able to design and build the entire chairlift from scratch in less than eight (8) months is an incredible feat on its own. It’s just an amazing pity that an environmental analysis that was critical for the success of the project was never undertaken.
     
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    Nice stuff VSG. That wooden unload ramp structure already looks dilapidated after just a decade out of service. Alpine environment is a tough place.
     
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    Love to see some real planning done in this area
    Maybe not a chair but an extension of the tunnel from Perisher to CP