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Advice needed Traditional accommodation between Hakuba and Tokyo

Discussion in 'Japan' started by southpaw, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    In planning our Japan trip the Mrs wants to explore staying in a Ryokan somewhere rural or in a village or town between Hakuba and Tokyo. We finish in Hakuba on 26 Jan and fly out of Haneda airport late on the 28th so we figured that two nights in traditional digs would be a nice experience rather than spending them in Tokyo. Don’t know if there anywhere that fits the bill and if so whether the plan is feasible or sensible as we would need to go from this location to the airport. Keen for any advice or suggestions folks may have. We’ll have our two kids with us (7and 9).
     
  2. Tanuki

    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    You could do a quick detour and visit to Shibu Onsen which is just of Nagano City. It's also proximate to the snow monkeys. From Hakuba you could get a direct transfer via mini bus. When leaving catch the local train or transfer to the Shinkansen in Nagano City.
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thanks, is it possible to stay in or around Shibu Onsen?
     
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    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, it's an onsen town full of traditional Ryokan.
     
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    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Matsumoto could be worth it, however it's not a small village. The train from Hakuba to Matsumoto is very scenic
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thanks, will definitely explore both areas.
     
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  8. southpaw

    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Looks amazing thanks. Appears accessible to and from Tokyo what about from Hakuba?
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    You backtrack to Nakatsugawa. Hop on the train to Matsumoto change to a local train ...then to hakuba.
     
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    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think they want to go there from Hakuba. So, reverse this. BTW, I'd love to go there.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oh sorry. Yes you are correct.
    Very easy to reach from Hakuba IMO
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'll be in hakuba.. And heading that way exactly same weekend. It is CNY weekend. So my be a bit busier.
    We'll be driving back to Osaka .
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thanks for the heads up about CNY I hear it’s a busy period.
     
  14. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    From hakuba there a super asuza train heading the other way. They'd be the go.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Depends. I've been there a few times during.
    Some places are ridiculous. Others you don't notice
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Super asuza train leaves hakuba at 2.38.
    It may stop at a station that then connects to kiso alps via a bus. I'll check
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Great thanks, that timing and connection looks easy.
     
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    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Totally doable. A few hours on local trains in Japan is a delight.
     
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    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Other than the 8 minute turn around in Matsumoto (if I'm reading this right)
     
  21. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nah. SA to Shiojiri.
    Change there.
     
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    Kamesei Ryokan in Togura Kamiyamada Onsen. Check the reviews and then contact Tyler the owner. Tell him Nic said to get in touch.
     
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    Cheers, will definitely check it out.
     
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    PMG One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    We've walked between Tsumago and Magome. They've both lovely little places but Tsumago would be my pick to stay over. It's a fair way from Hakuba though.
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Is it on the way to Tokyo though?
     
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    PMG One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nah, not really. It's easier to get to from Nagoya.
     
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    xuěboarder One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Would Kusatsu fit the bill? It's not a major to get to on the way to hakuba
     
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    Do you have a car? If not, I'd be looking at Matsumoto, particularly if you haven't seen the castle.
    That way, you can take the train from Hakuba to Matsumoto, then Matsumoto to Tokyo (Shinjuku), then a bus direct to Haneda.
    See here for ryokan in Matsumoto:
    https://www.booking.com/ryokans/cit...ItOCr447d5AIVS3ZgCh32zwhKEAAYASAAEgIiWfD_BwE&
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thanks. No car so will definitely look into Matsumoto.
     
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    Rual:
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    2 nice privat rotenburo on the other side of the walking bridge.

    In Shinhotaka Onsen.

    Real rual.
     
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    I want to second the Shin-hotaka onsen area, highly recommended. You can also take the ropeway up, view of Kasa-gatake is pretty jaw dropping.

    Another option on the way from Tokyo
    http://www.kaminoyu.com

    This place is near Suwa lake, my favourite Onsen in that area. Really nice place. To get there from Hakuba is a bit tricky, you take a train to Matsumoto, then transfer. Probably taxi from the station. If you are coming from Tokyo, take Azusa till Okaya then taxi from there.

    You can also take an extra day and go ski at Kuruma-yama. Nothing special snow wise, but view from the summit is pretty special. On a clear day(which they get a lot in winter) you can see: North Alps, Chuo Alps, Minami, Alps, Yatsugatake, Fuji-san. It really is nice spot.
     
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    Just on this...
    Whats the drive like on route 158 from Takayama to Matsumoto?
    We're in Takayama for a bit this January.
    Obviously a shorter way to hakuba than via the coast
     
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    I've never done that in winter, just summer, but it will be more hazardous than the average snowy road. It's high, snowy and winding.
    This may help:
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Is there a pretty decent tunnel through there as well?
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Is the title wrong? Aren't the long tunnels in route 158 at the western end?
     
  36. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes. The tunnel bypasses the worst bit of the high pass, where there are loads of switchbacks. A lot of monkeys there in summer as well.
     
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    The long tunnel is more on the western side of about half way.
     
  38. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah cheers.
    Depends on the weather I guess.
    Bug out via the freeway to toyama, itiogawa. Hakuba
     
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    Looks very similar to Route 148 between Hakuba and Itoigawa.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just not as high.
    148 is pretty low.
    Obviously cops snow.
    I drove 148 three times in near 3 hrs one morning.
    Left my boots in hakuba.
    Road was solid 40cm powder
     
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    Yeah, 148 is a piece of cake in comparison. It's a lot steeper and windier.
     
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    Good to know. I’ve got to drive Hakuba - Matsumoto - Hirayu Onsen on New Year’s Day. Should be fun.
     
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    Ha.
    I'm going the other direction January 14th.
     
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    *in a Subaru levorg
     
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    Shouldn't be a problem. We've driven the 158 from Takayama down to the turnoff near Nagawado Dam where you would head left for Matsumoto but we kept going down to Kiso. The snowiest parts are around Hirayu iirc.
    A spooky tunnel along the way.
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    PMG One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    There's an eleven km tunnel between Takayama and Shirakawa-go. That's the longest I can recall going through around there.
     
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    Not bad at all. It is a major road so it gets plowed very well. It is narrow in places and if there is a major storm coming I would be careful and bring chains.

    If you drive that way you can stop at Hirayu. There is also a small ski resort next to it. Hirayu-no-Mori is a very nice onsen there. There is also a cool frozen waterfall next to ski resort.

    I have driven many times to Hirayu and Shin Hotaka in winter. Was fine, but if there is a dump there are places where it can definitely get hairy without chains and around New Years there are plenty of people without even winter tires trying to drive there, I would be more afraid of them.

    I think the mountain pass at Hirayu is not plowed in winter but even if it is take tunnel. The switchback on that is sketchy. On the trail to Yake dake there is car just lying there probably fell from that road.
     
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    You're right, the pass isn't plowed in winter.
     
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    Southpaw dont forget to black cat most of your bags straight to the airport from your Hakuba accommodation. That will make your traveling much easier.

    Have you thought about staying in a Ryokan in Hakuba? There are a LOT and would reduce travel time, stress etc.
     
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    Thanks Pete, we’re planning on using Black Cat To get our gear to and from Hakuba and assume 2 days is enough time for them to get our gear to Haneda from Hakuba?
    Hadn’t thought of a ryokan in Hakuba so that’s definitely an option. We thought that staying somewhere different on the way back to Tokyo might be worth the added hassle of stopping off.
     
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