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Treble Cone 2015

Discussion in 'New Zealand' started by ScottGN, Dec 3, 2014.

  1. ScottGN

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    Good ideas.
     
  3. Heinz

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    or better from their own website: http://www.treblecone.com/social-corner/tc-blog/latest-news/whats-new-for-2015/

    Obviously trying to broaden their appeal. The cafe up the mountain is a good idea, somewhat overdue. Would have been better though to have something basic in the Saddle itself but I guess I can see what they are trying to achieve. Pity they got rid of the old T-bar in the Saddle and stuck the chair on the Mototapu side. So everyone will have to traverse all the way across to get to the new wide intermediate trails.
     
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    Can you recall what the sign says on the home basin chair machinery housing Heinz? That cracked me up.
     
  5. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    hmm, no - can't say I've taken much notice.
     
  6. ScottGN

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    Do you mean the word-play on a Volkswagon ad that's on the side of the bottom of the 6 seater? "Top speed 18kmh. alpine aircon, full time cruise control, 1260m to 1750m in 5 minutes etc, etc.
     
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    Sounds all great ,
    but I cant see the part where TC announce that they finally have a lease to extend their season beyond Sept, to recover all these new costs, to cover the best skiing conditions & the school hols ...
    the mysteries over how ski fields are managed ...
     
  8. Heinz

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    I'm sure they could operate past September if they wanted, but it would be the usual story of no one being around then apart from locals with season passes and still paying staff, so that isn't going to recover any costs.
     
  9. Draizuh

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    I was under the assumption that they closed due to lambing on the station that the access road crosses?? I recently met a share holder.. i should ask.

    However the road is unlocked monday to friday from 8am ish in the spring for touring access :)
     
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    I think that is the best place for a cafe. If in the saddle, then it would be inaccessible for a reasonable proportion of the season. If aT the top of home basin, you can ride the saddle and summit all day and avoid the bottom ligament twanging porridge.
     
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    Seriously, once the international teams have gone, and NZers holidaying in high season have gone, it suddenly goes awfully quiet in sept.
     
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    My favourite TC advertising poster in Wanaka, about 10 years ago, was the one that said simply:

    WEATHAR





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    keep scrolling



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    "a bad spell of weather".
     
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    How's TC as a resort for beginners compared to some NSW resorts?

    From my experience, Threbdo was not great for first timers and those who can't make parallel turns yet as there isn't a good option to step up to from FF.

    Perisher has many more options, such as Smiggins and areas at Blow Cow where beginners can easily spend a day without getting bored and develop their technique without too many problems.
     
  14. Ziggy

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    TC isn't the best. Cardrona is better for noobs.
     
  15. Heinz

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    I took this pic a few years ago (2010) specifically for this question. This is basically the extent of beginner terrain at TC. On the plus side this lift is free. They have though in recent years made big efforts to develop more intermediate terrain.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Wow, that's kinda SAAAD!

    I REALLY wanna go to TC but will have two erstwhile first-weekers in the group. I already took them to Thredbo when perhaps should have gone to Perisher instead for their first time.
     
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    Send them to Cardrona, while you go to TC. Or they can ride that lift and have a coffee or two. Views are great.
     
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    I think Cardrona and Remarks are the 2 best Southern Lakes resorts for beginners and then easy progression
    I'd rate Remarks over Cardrona
     
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    Hahaha

    I'm still copping it from the Thredbo trip!

    These guys take forever to develop. They couldn't get off FF in four days!
     
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    How are they for ambitious intermediates?
     
  21. Heinz

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    Or send them to puzzle park instead ;)
     
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    Exactly...hahahah

    They are keen but stubborn and don't want to push themselves.

    On my like third of skiing ever I was shoved down a blackish red run in France without poles. Fell about 20 times on the sheet ice (okay it was a somewhat traumatic, granted) but funnily enough could make some proper turns by the bottom.

    This concept is lost on some I guess...
     
  23. Draizuh

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    Skiing is hard. people dont realise that. and falling is essential. TC isnt a beginners resort. Its mildly entertaining as a intermediate. Its when you can ski anything, but are super confident on a blue run that TC is worth while. Most of the "offpiste" but named runs at TC in the saddle are the equivalent of "red" in europe, which TC does use to grade trails.
     
  24. Heinz

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    Yeah that's why I want to go.

    Just not sure that those two will have a good time.

    I have another companion who's a decent skier but hasn't skied for a couple of years.

    That will be the group.

    Question is, is it worth going to TC or Wanaka even, would Queenstown be a better option, or maybe be going to an Aussie resort?
     
  26. Heinz

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    Definitely worth going to Wanaka. I don't see a problem with you heading to TC for the day while your friends head to Cardrona while staying in Wanaka.
     
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    Hmmm

    A lot of 'unmarked' runs on the TC piste map, very few trials, and none that are marked black.

    Couple of reds, a few blues and greens.
     
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    Yeah you need to look at the Motatapu chutes map for the blacks ;)
     
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    How about spending the first three at Cardrona then taking them for a couple of days to TC?
     
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    black runs in the Mototapu chutes and a couple in the Saddle. The ones in the Saddles were previously black but were 'downgraded' to reds when the Mototapu basin was opened.
     
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    Yeah I saw that!

    Seen some vids of those too!

    If i'm reading this right, the unmarked but named runs in red would be a red, and those in black would be black rated?
     
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    Very similar 'stats' to Thredders in terms of verticle and altitude.

    Does TC have the bigger area or Thredbo?
     
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    What heinz said. Id also considered any named, but not colored "trails" on the map to be blacks. Hollywood bowl, Everything in the Matukituki basin, mine shaft etc.

    Black doesnt only mean steep, it also means technical. holding a traverse out of matukituki bowl on a snowboard for example takes more than a "good" snowboarder, i think it would test most skiers too. the summit hike while not technical or overly steep can be quite the challenge in average snow.

    Some runs are black to discourage learners too. Homeward bound at remarkables for example is a blue run with out a doubt. but taking the traverse into the bowl when the highway is windloaded can be a challenge. and when snow is thin at the lower areas of the run, line selection and stoping on limited snow becomes paramount.
     
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    How do the reds and blacks compare to Aussie runs?
     
  35. Heinz

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    Never skied Thredbo, so can't compare, but as I said several of those runs now graded red were black previously and would be black at most other resorts. They are mostly ungroomed so condtions will vary greatly, it is tight in places with drop off's. Not a place to be taken lightly especially in poor visibility - lack of trees makes it worse in that respect.
     
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    So tougher than most runs at Perisher then.
     
  37. Heinz

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    Beginners could take the 6 seater chair and ski East street which is basically a gentle road winding down the hill, but even that is not very wide and if they are easily put off by skiers skiing past may not enjoy that much either.
     
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    From what I remember from Perisher (was a long time ago) most definitely.
     
  39. Heinz

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    You could do that I guess. But are you committed to actually skiing with them? Just stay in Wanaka and let everyone decide on the day where they want to go. Personally if I was with group of people like that I wouldn't be missing a chance to ski TC just because some friends weren't sure they were up to it.
     
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    Sure, if they're not up to it, I'll definitely go to TC on my own. Heck I had to ski the whole of Thredbo alone basically when we went together, so I wont pass up going to TC.

    It's just that it's more fun when you share some runs.
     
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    Well one managed to ski top to bottom at Thredbo in very heavy spring conditions with me without too many problems, so I think they'd be okay on that kind of run on their own given a few more days of lessons and experience.

    The better skier has skied down the Olympic with me at Perisher so I think she'll definitely come to TC.
     
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    I hate traversing out of the Motutapu Chutes. TC could really do me a favour and put a t-bar in from the bottom back up to the Saddle chair.
     
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    ^ na, the hike out of Motatapu/ Gottleibs is a people-thinner, keeps the lazy away

    TC closes end of Sept every year due to farming lease / lambing. not due to crowds, as the school hols starts the week after. cue sheep-luv jokes

    on another note, seems like the free tc passes from the rental car, have done their last; was just booking online and they are gone.

    still its the best terrain in the south when its all on
     
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    They can ski Raffills Run which should be ok for them, and appraently the entrance has been widened, while you can have alot of fun skiing the other off piste runs :)
     
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    Yes please, a t-bar or poma from the bottom back up to the Saddle chair, would be very, very nice. For me the walk out/up feels like torture. The Summit walk up is easy in comparison :)

    All the traverse skiing to avoid the walk out/up disrupts some nice downhill skiing, unfortunately :)
     
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    Love TC when it's on. Great terrain, good BC access, awesome view.