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Tricks With Sticks - Instructions for Ski Instructors - How to produce a well rounded beginner.

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by bawbawbel, Jul 24, 2019.

  1. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    My publisher says "Not just to tell how to do your style, tell WHY it is superior."
    O.K. I stuffed up there.
    From my signature, Level 1 :
    "Level One:
    Snowplough rotations. With even weighting on both skis. we start the turn by bringing the upper arm and shoulder around in the direction of the proposed new turn.
    Do not weight the outside ski ! The slope will do this.
    Windup using Stein's Delayed Shoulder Snowplough if a stronger turn is needed."

    Today at Bawbs, the new snow started to compact and squeak at lunch time.
    "The snow is awful, I want to go home now" said my student.
    The answer was to go back to our special snowplough and stay there all day.

    This sort of snowplough let's one stop by just continuing to turn across the slope.
    That fixes the "Stopping hurts my legs" complaint.
    You get going again from the "across the hill" position by adding a "Stein Windup" of your arm in the opposite direction.

    This sort of snowplough is sliding all the time.
    That fixes the "My ski tips me over when I try to make it slide" complaint.
    You must increase your speed until the skis feel light under your feet and avoid slowing down.

    If anyone disses you, you must explain "This is a Gliding Wedge, used all the time in International Competition ". :)
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Right. Gilded wedgie. Got it.
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I suspect Stein is not the only one being wound up here.
     
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  4. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    The snowplough initiation being taught by BawBaw instructors is up to date in that it is following our (and Clendenin's) demand that the turn should be begun by flexing (bending or collapsing) the inside knee, not by leaning to the outside.
    So it is not so hard for us to add the arm/shoulder anticipation from that point.

    From there, only one more step to the Super Snowplough.
    That is, starting the turn with pressure towards the ski tips (weight on your toes), and finishing it with pressure towards the tails (weight on your heels).
    Anticipation does this automatically, but only when you are actually producing inclination (leaning your body into the turn).
    Alpine snowboarders in Germany are going crazy with this board stroking, using super flexible boards.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    The snowplough is hated because of the way it is taught. Death Valley.
    However, now some instructors (mainly female) are including aeroplane turns. Good Move.
    There is no reason why the pizza position cannot still be used by a high intermediate. Arms and shoulders make the difference !
    Wide base for extra stability on the frozen early morning. But not when you deliberately pressure the uphill ski.
    To convince frozen body ploughers of our method I now just get them to look quickly towards the new turn.
    Old habits die hard, surprising that a head rotation makes a real improvement.
    Aha ! They are mine !
    edit: Note that the aeroplane turn is NOT a BANKING ! Your wings must TURN into the new direction !
     
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  6. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Happy Christmas to the next generation of skiers.
    Book for anklebiters will be first !

    Who taught them Wholebody ?
    Must have taught themselves. :)

    Impressed. Even a Stein Delayed Shoulder Gliding Wedge Windup.
    They will go far.
     
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  7. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    After the aeroplane turn, the steering wheel is an effective way to instill Whole Body turning.
    But not the vertical steering wheel held on full lock throughout the turn. Spin Out ! Crazy wayz !
    We must emulate a Drifting Bus with a horizontal steering wheel.
    Jerk the wheel around to START the drift and then correct slowly as the turn progresses.
    "All the way to the World Cup" ? How to confuse yourself and everybody else by using weight change turn and looking at it as an either or:
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    As noted below, the Gliding Wedge is an excellent precursor to the Telemark Turn.
    Why, then, do we spend so much effort to remove the Stem Initiation from the typical telemarker ?
    Because the flow is interrupted by the uphill effort that goes with the stem.
    The Way To The Wedge is to go back to square one and rebuild the whole teleturn.
    http://skimountaineerssectionlachaptersc.org/text/snowplow.htm
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've followed every item diligently in this thread with my most recent guest and got a simply amasing result!
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    SACK YOUR PUBLISHER!!!

    If this is their honest advice run a mile! Anyone in business will tell you if you have to over sell something then it it worthless.

    so if your style / movement does not make sense straight away, telling us it is better is a waste of time because we will not listen.
     
  11. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    He did alllright, still had a glove and his glasses. So hardly a real bad fall or result. Keep trying.
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    looks like you skiing down the side of Kosci a few years back! Now I know what went wrong......
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    But wasn’t @Telemark Phat smart enough to use a rock to stop rather than continue sliding like this crazy fool?
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    he did but the issue was he tried 13 times and the first twelve attempts failed!
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    It was the last rock which was perfect for stopping on.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    I did hope that my "Drifting Bus Exercise" would inspire you to at least Give It A Go. :(
    My psycho adviser suggests that you have too much invested in your present technique to contemplate adding anything to it.
    Are you maybe Skied Out ?
    I can provide a Ski To Snowboard conversion course, if you are ready for it ?
     
  17. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    you still don’t get it! One day hopefully you will and then maybe if (big if) you have a positive contribution to change instruction techniques people will listen.

    Don’t over sell just ask Scomo from marketing as he will tell you where it got him....
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oh well, I tried. Unless I get positive response I will retire gracefully from this forum and communicate only via tick tocks. :)
     
  19. MisterMxyzptlk

    MisterMxyzptlk Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I tried to get him to do an aeroplane turn today but the little smartarse thought he had to be flying:confused:
    Next time skis touching the snow kiddo
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Perhaps reconsider you selling style? Maybe?
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    There is probably not much that your ski instructor can sell you as a fading star wanting to ski forever.
    If he read Lito's book about Soft Skiing he might have missed the important tips as they are smothered by poetry and the new dogma.
    1. He recommends Harb's phantom tipping but in a few lines and with poor illustrations.
    2. He recommends the "tray" only as a "balance aid" after a promising beginning:
    "You will find that your hands are like magnets. Move them and your body follows easily, effortlessly.... "
    No sign of the Drifting Bus, where they drive the turn to make it effortless.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    The ultimate frustration would be to spend your whole corona isolation abortively trying to learn hula hoop.
    Girls do it naturally, but boys fail.
    It is important to work on your twirk for proper wholebody technique.
    Classes are available in Sydney, or you could maybe start with a big one.
     
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    I don’t know how I ended up in this thread but I now need a Bex and a little lie down.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Is that a promise?
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Lack of response might indicate reticence to be Flanderized by heros who got their kid's hoop rotating..
    Note that males hula using a fore and aft movement, females use a side to side movement.
    Both are not optimum, a rotary movement is far superior, the hoop spins with only barely perceptible twirking.
    Rotation, rotation, rotation
    I might have hinted about this in the past ?
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Proactivity better !
    I have sent link of your opus to Harry (refugee in Canada) .
    Also link to this thread, as he tends to fall over during Arctic treks.
    er..Antarctic
     
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  30. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    To the nitty gritty !
    You can't hula because your Anterior Pelvic Tilt is awful, leaving your abs weak.
    Caused by internet addiction, usually.
    Must be corrected pre season to avoid sore back and to make it easy for your Wholebody Instructor.
     
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  31. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    The girls have it. Unfair.

    "Staring" is right..
     
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  32. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    So you didn't even notice her SKIS.
    Learning Wholebody and pushing Aldis is futility.
    Flo has graduated from backless snow skates.
    Bamboo and risers should complement your effortless turns.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    #33 bawbawbel, Mar 24, 2020
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    All WholeBody graduates can be considered instructors. They will, no doubt, in the course of time, have immunity to COVID19, one way or another. Just now, however, they are in danger.
    Even if it IS a weaponised version of COVID12 (Saudi) which escaped from the Wuhan Level Four Facility, it is still related to the common cold and might respond similarly.
    Anecdotally, I relate my recent experience:
    I diverted from a supermarket trip (Gotta Go !) to attend a graphitied Public Loo.
    12 hours later i was suddenly in an unusual uncontrollable dry cough. Better Half leapt apon me an poured Benadine into my throat for gargle.
    That's all, nothing further this last 5 days.. ??
     
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    If you don't angulate you prangulate.

    Especially when skiing race slalom skis.
     
  36. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes ! Shouted slogans for Wholebody 101ers with chronic Internet Brainblasting.
    " Back hollow, skis will follow !"
    " Super tele, from the belly !"
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Angulation (not to be confused with knee bend) is an auto balance mechanism.
    As required. Avoid excess. Allows skittering (faster than carving).
    F1 drivers have been advised to get COVID over with before the season starts.
    You are not an F1 driver.
     
  38. MisterMxyzptlk

    MisterMxyzptlk Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks for the thread bump @bawbawbel
    Photo of the youngest at Rusutsu in Jan brings back memories of much happier times:D
    Seems like years ago now:(

    Thankyou!!
     
  39. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well, straight line woopsie dooers might have to find backcountry lines and learn to tearn.. :).
    Two on a six pack chair probly uneconokic. Lift lines down to the resort entrance !
    Our Hotham lodge has cancelled bookings. (Still taking subscriptions, of course )
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Actually, my special interest is with tele skiers. I have a log of teleskiers who have independently found Wholebody and have developed it, often for many years.
    In the humble and unassuming manner of such practitioners, they are satisfied to post their breakthrough vids to very few viewers.
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    A short demonstration of "anticipation" for telemark skiing. A powerful but efficient method for initiating a turn, causing the skis to roll onto their new edges early in the turn rather than sliding across the fall line. At the poll plant, body mass is moved across the skis (allowing gravity to pull the skiers body somewhat downhill), thus causing the skis to follow the body. Immediately upon feeling the new edge, the body must angulate the new turn. Finally, the lead ski is changed for a powerful, early edging turn.
     
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    So have you ever actually worked as a Ski Instructor? If so what level and mountains did you ski on.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Private lessons only. If you show interest you are eligible. Demand that your instructor includes the basic Wholebody movements, even if you are at "Second Level".
     
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    I've worked as an instructor in Falls Creek and Lake Tahoe for 7 years.
     
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    Cam Slee One of Us

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    Are you still a member of APSI?
     
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    B\
    BBB has found another fan
     
  46. teleroo

    teleroo still looking for Thredbo in the Park Ski Pass: Gold

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    Cam, what you've got to understand is BBB has transcended the established ski instruction dogma that is so holding us all back and operates on another astral plane of skiing. We simply receive his pearls of wisdom as a fairy sprinkles fairy dust in their trail.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you had European experience you could compare techniques.
    Anyway, nice to have you on board. :)
    Do tele types seek you out ? They are the most critical of students, usually having tried and discarded numerous ineffective offshoots. :)
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have the advantage of dream skiing every night. Rarely crash.
     
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    So I'm not listening to you at all now. You've got no idea.
     
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    teleroo still looking for Thredbo in the Park Ski Pass: Gold

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    Need to keep an open mind dude :)
     
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