Yeh. Victoria sucks.

We should build a wall.

 

Yes keep the nannying for ourselves!

That rule does suck. Although after buying a (new?) suv for what $30-50k - buying chains just once looks like good value compared with renting?

 

Rookie error.

Need to throw any old pair of chains in the back - borrowed from friends for phree ideally...

 

The policy regarding snow chains in resorts is that day visitors may not be required to carry them if the RMB specifies so in accordance with the regulation below -

56 Prescribed Board may waive carrying of wheel
chains on certain days
(1) A prescribed Board may determine that
regulation 55 does not apply to day visitors on a
specified day in an alpine resort for which the
Board is responsible.

If you stay overnight during the declared season then you have to carry them, so firstly were you staying overnight? Secondly, was it the RMB who enforced the snow chain regulation or an off mountain chain hire place?

This works only until you get to the resort area as legislation from the resort boundary is quite explicit about the chains being able to be fitted to the vehicle. The likelihood of being checked is remote at the end of the season in Baw Baw. Prior to the resort and on Vic Roads managed roads then you can carry whatever size and type of chain you like as the legislation has a significant loop hole in it. The offence for not carrying chains outside the resort is 'disobey a sign' and current value is $161. There is no reference in the road rules or any other traffic legislation referring to the type and size of chains. This may be adjusted shortly after the discussion I have had with many in the regulatory area this year. Parks Vic are also reviewing legislation covering snow chains after I pointed out a significant flaw in the legislation covering Mt. Buffalo.

 

If you ski in vic much, and drive your own vehicle there, then just cough up and buy chains. I've always just gone to Roof Carrier Systems (ie @snowtyres). I think last time it cost about $150 to trade in old ones for 2nd h ands that fitted new (2nd hand) car.

The legislation is a PITA but for snowaddicts really not worth getting up-tight about.

 

not saying that your trip was in these conditions but sunny days can have dangerous patches early in the morning. snow melts during the day, water flows over the road and freezes on a clear night. in a shady corner it may take a while to melt again.

 

Unfair and bureauceatic but i doubt that financial gain was the motivation.

 

Drive the Perisher Road on any day that there has been a snowfall. You will understand why chains are required. A lot of 4WDs (which are not required to carry chains) having a little rest beside the road.

Lots of places require some sort of traction adjustment in winter. In British Columbia, for example, you have to fit snow tyres for winter

 

Yes but you don't fit chains for these conditions

 

My day at Buller in September i was surprised at the gate when it said chains not required for 2 or 4WD

 

I'm thinking the OP mainly skis in NSW?
Victorian roads, particularly to Hotham and Baw Baw are worlds away from roads in NSW.

 

Weather in the mountains can change quickly. And unless you want to fill out a questionnaire each time you enter an Alpine Region, then a fee for someone to enforce the duration and locations you entered. Then a simple rule of, between this date and this date, chains may be required to be carried, is adequate, It's the simplest way to keep everyone safe.

If this is all to difficult for you. NSW does not require you to carry chains, if you have an AWD. Stick to NSW. I do for this exact reason.

 

I can understand the position of the OP. It is up to the Resort Management during the declared season to decide if chains are required to be carried for day visitors and maybe Baw Baw should be encouraged to review procedure. Decisions are made in the morning of or the night before and would not be changed later in the day. I have seen motorbikes going over Hotham in September when cars have been forced to hire chains. That seemed a little unfair. I doubt any runoff melt/overnight freeze would necessitate the use of chains as there would be too much dry tar in between to warrant the damage to the road.
A letter of complaint to Baw Baw may not go far but it will go further than a vent on a forum, which goes nowhere to addressing the problem. Quote Alpine Resort Management Regulations No. 56 (as above) and steer them into taking advantage of it. Likely they are just lazy or never really think about it. If you are not aggrieved enough to write a letter of complaint then it is not really too much of a deal. Good to know Buller is thinking about it and maybe other resorts could be reminded as well.
Victoria roads are significantly different in their approaches to resorts compared with NSW and legislation has been formed, albeit not well, to address the need for safety. Out of season snow may cause some issues but usually the authorities just close the road until it is clear (or cleared). Snow does not usually hang around for too long in the warmer month anyway.

 

But this doesn't have anything to do with the conditions requiring these vehicles to fit chains, just over confident drivers, driving badly. ​

 

Please don't go pointing out the loopholes to nanny...
It's bad enough as it is.

Next we'll be fitting chains to all vehicles, at all times at Harrietville, Omeo, Noojee, Mt Beauty, Merrijig, Marysville, Warburton (and any other snow hill feeder towns you can think of)...

 

I agree with @tropicalsnow ... its bullshit to enforce a chain requirement on a fine sunny day in late September. They do the same in NSW with police doing chain checks whilst doing RBT.

Stralya

 

I'm going to check out BB in a week. I'll carry chains even though it'll probably be a sunny day and the snow season is over. No big deal to chuck them in the car.

 

Why should I have to have headlights that work if I'm only going to drive in daylight hours?
That question makes as much sense as the opening post, if you ask me.

 

Imagine the carnage if no one had chains on.

 

I think people are now being asked to fit chains these days for conditions, in the past, would not have needed any fitting. For example, on a bluebird day at Buller in Sept this year (the morning AFTER one of the snow storms), there was a little bit of snow on the road and 2WDs were fitting chains. It was probably line ball about the need to fit, but when I saw the old Ford Falcon drive into the day car park with chains on the front wheels, I knew they probably didn't need to be fitted.

 

You probably have access to more chains than the average punter though Tecks!

 

Or ‘why carry a pair of spotlights in the boot in case there is an eclipse?’

 

I used my headlights to indicate to a truck (B double) carrying a huge load of Hay, just south
of Yea a few days ago. As he had something dragging under the truck which was making sparks.
Not good had they ignited the load. Lucky I didn't take the headlights off.

Turns out one of the inside wheels had shed the outer, and was wrapped around the inside axle,
the steel belts on the road, causing the sparks.

 

MTBB RMB Toyota (1 of 4) with Nokian studded winter tyres

 

Making legislation clearer or simpler is also about protecting people and their rights. The discussion was already being had and I just contributed to clear up some matters. I would guarantee most people on this forum and for that matter, most people visiting resorts, have any idea of the legislation or the flaws in it. Parks Vic believed they had authority on Mt. Buffalo Road but the National Parks Act contradicts its own regulations and in fact they did not. That will be fixed and I was happy to point it out.

Why? Maybe just put them on when you leave home (just to continue the hyperbole), except the Road Management Act prohibits the use of snow chains unless directed to use them. That is about not causing unnecessary damage to the road surface. The problem in Vic is too many Acts of Parliament governing road use. I read them all this year just for this particular matter.

Still required to carry and fit chains when directed or are they exempt? I see no problem having studded snow tyres when the vehicle is being driven 100% above the snow line. For the rest of us punters, chains do quite well enough. Subaru used to have studded tyres fitted as OEM. They did not last very long. That was back in the early 80's or late 70's. Thanks for the input but again you are probably just advertising.

 

How would a pair of extra bright lights stored in your boot have helped?

 

Sorry, teks' analogy is more correct
While the road may be clear for day trippers, in an emergency you may have to stay overnight and be in all sorts of excreta if there is an overnight dump

 

Wouldn't you be asleep ....

 

Not necessarily

 

People do

 

It's a nanny state unfortunately, everything for the LCD. If the rule is absolute then less people can say they didn't know chains were required that day.

 

BB has as steep a pitch as you'll find anywhere and as mentioned the weather can change fast. Twice there I've had trouble because of this.

 

Yeh, but tropicalsnow is obviously a better driver than you and me, normal restrictions and physics laws don't apply to him!

 

The wise Kingfisher ...

 

You mean people who drive up in good weather and are caught by a snowstorm?

 

You'd be surprised

 

Probably drives much the same as all of us on a sunny day

 

You're not being 'forced to pay'. You can buy your own, or not go up, or hire from Erica for instance.

 

No 4WD‘s have chains on driving to Perisher, which is what we were talking about.

 

And you've found the forecast for where you live 100% accurate?
In broad outline it gets close but often not in timing and intensity.
So if there's a fall, or unexpected ice on the road as Curra mentioned, the driver who's never practiced on a skid pan in their life let alone a steep one reckons AWD confers some braking advantage and sets out to return, a menace to others and their property. All for $25.

 

Wow. Storm in a teacup. Really? Is this an issue?

Buy some chains. Or, go to an online auction or buy swap sell site and get some old chains.