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Given the posts lately in the 2021-22 USA planning thread, seems past time to have one for 2022-23.

Anyone book flights to the USA yet for a ski trip? As noted by @absentskier , there will be less hassles when crossing international borders.

Assuming people have seen that the US no longer requires air passengers travelling from a foreign country to show a negative covid test or documentation of recovery from covid before they board their flight. Certainly good news for those of us considering a North American ski holiday in 2022/23.
 
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Park City may not get the two fancy high-speed lifts that Vail Resorts was planning to have ready for 2022-23 after all. The existing lifts weren't taken down given the ongoing opposition from vocal residents of the town.

June 16, 2022 (USA)

My ski buddy, Bill, joined friends at Park City during the winter holiday period last season. He won't ever do that again. Low snow conditions and limited lift openings due to staff shortages due to COVID-19 cases meant very long lift lines. He did renew his Epic pass because he wants to explore a few Epic locations, but will mostly be skiing at Ikon/MCP resorts. Last season he used Epic at Park City and Telluride when friends were there.
 
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Given the posts lately in the 2021-22 USA planning thread, seems past time to have one for 2022-23.

Anyone book flights to the USA yet for a ski trip? As noted by @absentskier , there will be less hassles when crossing international borders.

Yep! Booked for 2.5 weeks end Feb23 to Colorado. Syd to aspen, 4 days riding somewhere else on the ikon pass (ideally Steamboat, Copper or A basin), 6 days riding Aspen then driving from there to LAX. Excited about the 6 day road trip, visiting Monument, Moab, Vegas and hopefully the Canyon. We are there over Presidents weekend which clearly isn’t ideal so might even look at riding some smaller resorts that weekend.

Got flights for A$1,500 on Delta. SYD-ASE drive then LAX-SYD. Saved $400 by not flying back from ASE to LAX which gave us the chance to do the drive which will be great.
 
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Yep! Booked for 2.5 weeks end Feb23 to Colorado. Syd to aspen, 4 days riding somewhere else on the ikon pass (ideally Steamboat, Copper or A basin), 6 days riding Aspen then driving from there to LAX. Excited about the 6 day road trip, visiting Monument, Moab, Vegas and hopefully the Canyon. We are there over Presidents weekend which clearly isn’t ideal so might even look at riding some smaller resorts that weekend.

Got flights for A$1,500 on Delta. SYD-ASE drive then LAX-SYD. Saved $400 by not flying back from ASE to LAX which gave us the chance to do the drive which will be great.
Sounds like a great trip!

I'll be skiing at Steamboat Feb. 17-20. Going over President's Day weekend because my ski buddy Bill will be there as part of a hot air balloon crew, per usual. Steamboat organizes a balloon glow on the holiday weekends. It's good fun.

The drive on I-70 from Glenwood Springs west towards Utah is very pretty. But mudslides last summer caused a lot of damage. Hopefully all the fixes will be completed this summer (before Oct 2022). Colorado Dept. of Transportation , CDOT does a good job keeping the public informed about road closures caused by weather.

April 27, 2022 (Colorado)

 
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I would like to think that I‘ll be using my epic pass somewhere other than Hotham. Breckenridge is somewhere we would like to go having popped in for lunch and look around a few years ago.
 
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Anyone know of a forum for US ski/travel trip info, planning for the drives, accom etc? There's some good info here but postings are a bit sparse. Looking for more detailed info. snowheads seems to be closed.
 

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Anyone know of a forum for US ski/travel trip info, planning for the drives, accom etc? There's some good info here but postings are a bit sparse. Looking for more detailed info. snowheads seems to be closed.
SkiTalk is a good source for ski trip planning info for people who have plenty of experience posting to a ski forum. Responses may be slow until mid-August since it's summer time in the USA. It used to be that August or September was early enough to make reservations for less expensive lodging. Post-pandemic, some places are getting booked up by July.

For women who haven't engaged that often online, TheSkiDiva.com can be a good place to ask questions when planning a ski trip to the USA. Especially if planning a family trip that includes kids under 16.

Most of my personal experience planning ski trips in the last decade to the destination resorts in the Rockies is for Utah, Taos, Big Sky/Bridger, with a few trips to JH/GT, Aspen/Snowmass, and north Tahoe. While I've skied in Colorado in recent years, the higher altitude and other factors mean that I haven't added any of the resorts besides Steamboat and Wolf Creek to my personal Top Ten for mid-season (Feb-Mar) trips. My trips have been based on the MCP and/or Ikon, not Epic.
 
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A little off-topic but if anyone is curious about the indoor slope near New York City, check out this interview with Joe Hession. Joe has been with Snow Operating, which evolved into Snow Partners, from the beginning. Snow Operating is a consulting company that helps ski areas/resorts improve operations with beginners and renters in mind, as well as set up Terrain Based Learning (TM).

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I've been to Big SNOW in New Jersey a couple of times. It was good place to introduce my daughter's BF to skiing for the first time. Being able to rent a package that included ski jacket and ski pants was a plus. Having floating instructors meant he had a private lesson for 45 minutes for no extra charge since we went when the place wasn't busy last summer.
 
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A little off-topic but if anyone is curious about the indoor slope near New York City, check out this interview with Joe Hession. Joe has been with Snow Operating, which evolved into Snow Partners, from the beginning. Snow Operating is a consulting company that helps ski areas/resorts improve operations with beginners and renters in mind, as well as set up Terrain Based Learning (TM).

June 19, 2022

I've been to Big SNOW in New Jersey a couple of times. It was good place to introduce my daughter's BF to skiing for the first time. Being able to rent a package that included ski jacket and ski pants was a plus. Having floating instructors meant he had a private lesson for 45 minutes for no extra charge since we went when the place wasn't busy last summer.

Will check this out, thanks.

I think indoor ski slopes are an excellent way to practice skiing before the big trip to the mountains. I wish Aus had them. I'm sure they would get the patronage if built near Sydney/Melbourne. Yes, I know there's been talk of them for years but until construction starts I wont believe it. I've used Xscape in the UK when i lived in London and was really impressed with it.
 
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I think indoor ski slopes are an excellent way to practice skiing before the big trip to the mountains. I wish Aus had them. I'm sure they would get the patronage if built near Sydney/Melbourne.
Apparently Snow Partners has found financial backing to open more Big SNOW locations. There is also a new company called Alpine-X that is building an indoor slope (with snowmaking, not a rolling carpet or plastic slope) relatively close to Washington DC. Alpine-X has partnered with the company that operates more than one indoor slope in The Netherlands. They also intend to build more locations. Bode Miller is on board as the Chief Innovation Officer aka promoter.

There have been a few Ski Diva meetups during the off-season at Big SNOW in NJ. Always good fun. People I know who live within 1-2 hours drive like going once or twice during the summer, than again once or twice during the fall. While some are intermediates, there are also advanced skiers who appreciate getting on some turns before they head out during early season.

Finding customers probably isn't the issue in the USA near big cities. Finding the big money needed to build the needed building and infrastructure takes quite an undertaking. Big SNOW was created in a building that was part of a giant mall development that failed years ago. The current mall isn't doing well financially even though the company owns and operates the Mall of America in Minnesota and the giant mall in West Edmonton in Canada.
 
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There is a lot of construction related to new lifts at Palisades Tahoe. Updates started in mid-April and are being posted weekly. The biggest project is the gondola that will connect Alpine Meadows to Olympic Valley during the winter. The name change to Palisades Tahoe is old news in 2022.

 

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@Kash : were you asking about Sunlight in Colorado?

Came across a couple posts from a while back about Sunlight that's geared to family skiing. BraveSkiMom is based in Utah. While there has been talk about upgrading lifts, I don't think anything has changed in recent years.


A friend who was a cautious intermediate headed to Aspen for the first time spent a day at Sunlight in 2018. Overall she thought it was worth checking out.

 
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@Kash : were you asking about Sunlight in Colorado?

Came across a couple posts from a while back about Sunlight that's geared to family skiing. BraveSkiMom is based in Utah. While there has been talk about upgrading lifts, I don't think anything has changed in recent years.


A friend who was a cautious intermediate headed to Aspen for the first time spent a day at Sunlight in 2018. Overall she thought it was worth checking out.


Yep, I will be near Aspen on Sat 18th Feb so was considering Sunlight to just do some cruisey laps before starting our Aspen trip the following day. Even though ill have my ikon pass was worried about crowds that day. Alternative is to just ride Aspen Highlands (as it will be free for me with the pass)
 

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Yep, I will be near Aspen on Sat 18th Feb so was considering Sunlight to just do some cruisey laps before starting our Aspen trip the following day. Even though ill have my ikon pass was worried about crowds that day. Alternative is to just ride Aspen Highlands (as it will be free for me with the pass)
I'd probably go explore Aspen Highlands instead of Sunlight. Could be worth taking the free mountain tour if they are doing that. Highlands is where the local families ski. It's got a complete range of terrain for beginners all the way to hard charging experts.

Probably better to park and take a shuttle bus to Highlands. My first trip, my ski buddy and I parked at Buttermilk and took the small bus to Highlands.
 
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Sorry if this is inappropriate but I'm wondering if anyone else has the same thoughts as me?

I've visited the USA for skiing many times and my wife has relatives there. I have only ever had fantastic experiences and I find the people super friendly. It has my favourite ski hill on the planet (Alta/Snowbird) and generally the landscape is the most diverse I have experienced. (Utah's natural beauty can't be beat).
Despite all this I am not as drawn to the US anymore. I'm no activist or political fanatic but I think I may have been influenced by the news out of the US in the last few years. The latest Rowe/Wade thing has been eye opening.
Whilst I understand no country or continent is perfect I think I'll spend my money elsewhere for a while.
 
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I'd probably go explore Aspen Highlands instead of Sunlight. Could be worth taking the free mountain tour if they are doing that. Highlands is where the local families ski. It's got a complete range of terrain for beginners all the way to hard charging experts.

Probably better to park and take a shuttle bus to Highlands. My first trip, my ski buddy and I parked at Buttermilk and took the small bus to Highlands.

Good advice as usual, thanks. Looking at the trail map it looks great for a day. Only 4 lifts but accessing heaps of terrain. Good suggestion on the tour.
 
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Good advice as usual, thanks. Looking at the trail map it looks great for a day. Only 4 lifts but accessing heaps of terrain. Good suggestion on the tour.
If there is good visibility, can be fun to take the snowcat that provides a head start for people doing the hike to ski the Highlands Bowl. Meaning, ride out and ride back. At the very least, go to the backside of the Ski Patrol hut for the view.


View from Highlands ski patrol hut, March 2015
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quick question (@MarzNC may have some in the long term local experience but anyone feel free to chip in).
what‘s your tip for the best late December/early January snow for Colorado/ Utah?
family trip, all solid intermediates and happier on groomers than steep and deep- think snowmass rather than Ajax for example.
steamboat seems to be a popular choice on general web surfing but those reports were on travel websites and it’s hard to sort out what’s advertorial vs legimate experience.
 

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quick question (@MarzNC may have some in the long term local experience but anyone feel free to chip in).
what‘s your tip for the best late December/early January snow for Colorado/ Utah?
family trip, all solid intermediates and happier on groomers than steep and deep- think snowmass rather than Ajax for example.
steamboat seems to be a popular choice on general web surfing but those reports were on travel websites and it’s hard to sort out what’s advertorial vs legimate experience.
Steamboat.
 
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quick question (@MarzNC may have some in the long term local experience but anyone feel free to chip in).
what‘s your tip for the best late December/early January snow for Colorado/ Utah?
family trip, all solid intermediates and happier on groomers than steep and deep- think snowmass rather than Ajax for example.
steamboat seems to be a popular choice on general web surfing but those reports were on travel websites and it’s hard to sort out what’s advertorial vs legimate experience.
Probably doesn't apply for a trip flying half-way around the world, but my destination for early season turns in the Rockies has become Wolf Creek in southeast Colorado. Will be joined by a couple of groomer skiers this season (one is my newly retired brother-in-law from Chicago). For a family who is only interested in skiing, staying in a house in South Fork can work out well. A friend from North Carolina did that for almost the entire month of December in 2020 when her kids were doing virtual school. They had school 6-10am Mountain Time and then went skiing . . . 26 days that month.

Wolf Creek is often 100% open by early December, if not mid-November. Plenty of good green/blue groomers along with mellow trees and challenging terrain for those interested.

I had a good time with my ski buddy at Alta in mid-Dec 2020. There is enough snowmaking on the primary groomers (top-to-bottom) for a good time by early January. Staying in SLC with a rental car could mean sampling LCC/BCC would be possible. But that makes more sense for someone who has Ikon, although the SLC SuperPass still exists.

In Colorado, Steamboat is probably a good choice. Plenty of snowmaking infrastructure and a fun town. If there are early snowstorms, a day at Howelsen Hill is worth it for the experience. From a snow standpoint, Copper has very good early season snowmaking from what I understand.

What does does the family want to do besides skiing? What type of lodging? Slopeside or not?
 
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thanks for the comprehensive reply!
Slopeside is always a winner with our crew.
our kids are happy skiing full days and ’rest’ are snowshoeing and other snow related activities. Coming from Queensland, we maximise any ski time- it’s the only time they get to ski all year.
They don’t need shops and clubs. From what I’ve seen, steamboat may fit the bill.
 

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thanks for the comprehensive reply!
Slopeside is always a winner with our crew.
our kids are happy skiing full days and ’rest’ are snowshoeing and other snow related activities. Coming from Queensland, we maximise any ski time- it’s the only time they get to ski all year.
They don’t need shops and clubs. From what I’ve seen, steamboat may fit the bill.
Steamboat is great. I hear what you’re saying about maximising ski time, but make sure you get into town. It’s a lovely mani at with some great restaurants and a few interesting shops. And it’s a real town. Personally, that adds another dimension over staying at a purpose built ski resort.

How long would you be at a ski resort for?
 
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thanks for the comprehensive reply!
Slopeside is always a winner with our crew.
our kids are happy skiing full days and ’rest’ are snowshoeing and other snow related activities. Coming from Queensland, we maximise any ski time- it’s the only time they get to ski all year.
They don’t need shops and clubs. From what I’ve seen, steamboat may fit the bill.
Steamboat is definitely better than any resort in Utah in terms of reasonable options for slopeside lodging. Being able to get around using the public bus system is a major advantage. Better to book before September for the best deals.

Another bonus is that Steamboat has night skiing. There is a range of trails, not just a couple of greens.

Here's a comprehensive guide to Steamboat written by a man who has been showing people around for decades. My friend who spent a week doing WFH at Steamboat the last couple seasons has had a good time with Ron.


Here's my trip report for Howelsen Hill, which is right in town.

 
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This is on a travel website but it's a relatively new one that provides pretty good overviews, with plenty of info related to the logistics of getting to a resort and getting around once there. A friend of mine wrote the info about Big Sky.

I forgot that kids 12 and under can ski free when parents or grandparents are also skiing for 5+ days at Steamboat.

 
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relocating to vancouver at the end of the year, finally finished booking a decent trip around the states getting some value from my epic pass.

Scored some great deals on accommodation

1 week at fernie over christmas - $1200 aud
2 weeks lakeside at keystone - $1900 aud
10 days at tahoe during presidents weekend - $2k aud
1 week in jackson over new years - $1k

will spend most of december/march driving to whistler from vancouver each day.

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Will you get in a day at Grand Targhee while staying in Jackson? Cheaper ticket than JH. Perhaps more snow at the point in the season.
will see how the snow is.

Really the only reason for the stop at jackson because coming down after christmas in fernie theres not too many places id like to spend new years between there and park city
 
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Hi All

My ski buddy and I are off to the USA in late Jan/Feb 23.
(Last overseas journey was Inner BC Feb 20 - 22 days on ground)

Plans are as follows, so far: We are on a Mountain Collective...plan to get a limited EPIC.

From Melbourne - Fly into San Fran...connect to Jackson

Ski GT & JH at least 2 days at each
- should we stay longer than 6 nights
- suggested accommodation appreciated

Then head to Salt Lake City (get a car here)
- we have 6 nights in a Park City Condo locked in (top spot)
- looking to spend a few nights north in Ogden
- another 6 nights east side of the Wasatch
- most likely a night in SLC
- suggested accommodation appreciated

Reckon this will give us a chance for a 2 day on1 day off scenario ad ski most fields in the region.

Any tips and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Hi All

My ski buddy and I are off to the USA in late Jan/Feb 23.
(Last overseas journey was Inner BC Feb 20 - 22 days on ground)

Plans are as follows, so far: We are on a Mountain Collective...plan to get a limited EPIC.

From Melbourne - Fly into San Fran...connect to Jackson

Ski GT & JH at least 2 days at each
- should we stay longer than 6 nights
- suggested accommodation appreciated

Then head to Salt Lake City (get a car here)
- we have 6 nights in a Park City Condo locked in (top spot)
- looking to spend a few nights north in Ogden
- another 6 nights east side of the Wasatch
- most likely a night in SLC
- suggested accommodation appreciated

Reckon this will give us a chance for a 2 day on1 day off scenario ad ski most fields in the region.

Any tips and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Sounds like a fun trip.

Before I make any suggestions, have questions . . .

Where will you be over the holiday weekend, Feb. 18-20?

What type of terrain are you looking for? Have you been to the MCP resorts before where you are going? If not, what destination resorts have you been to in the USA?

Looking for hotel rooms or a place with a kitchen when not in Park City?

Will you have a car in Jackson? If not, how were you planning on getting to GT?

When you say "limited Epic" do you mean an Epic Day Pass for a specific number of days?
 

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May not make that much difference to Australian travelers, but the airfares on Southwest for next winter are noticeably higher than last winter. The schedule for Jan-Feb was recently released.

Car rental rates are currently very high for Jan-Feb. But that could change quite a bit by Nov-Dec. Hope so. The rate for NM for my Taos trip is more than twice what I paid last season.
 
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There are several more Ikon Partners that are going to make use of the Ikon lift access reservation system for 2022-23. Boyne Resorts obviously decided it would be a good idea for their busier resorts.

The Summit at Snoqualmie, WA - Boyne
*Big Sky, MT - Boyne
Jackson Hole, WY
*Aspen Snowmass, CO
*Brighton, UT - Boyne
Taos Ski Valley, NM
*Loon Mountain, NH - Boyne

* added for 2022-23

Note that Boyne has two resorts in Maine (Sunday River, Sugarloaf) which won't require reservations. They are a longer drive from Boston compared to Loon.

Last season for an early Feb week, my friends and I didn't who made reservations at least a month in advance had no problem getting Sat-Fri at Taos. My primary ski buddy who forgot couldn't get Sun about two weeks before the date. But got one when more slots were opened up the next week. May have helped that there was a big snowstorm so it was clear that almost all the trails and terrain would be open the week he would be skiing.

A friend who is a long-time instructor at Jackson Hole felt that things ran much smoother last season. She thought requiring Ikon reservations was one factor that meant fewer crazy busy days at the base lifts.
 

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Well I couldn't wait for Japan any longer so we've booked flights and accommodation for Lake Tahoe from the 14th of January. Two weeks of skiing staying in a 2 bedroom condo right next to Stagecoach lift at Heavenly. We'll buy the Tahoe Value season pass so we can ski Heavenly, Kirkwood and Northstar. It's time to get back into the skiing. :)
 
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Well I couldn't wait for Japan any longer so we've booked flights and accommodation for Lake Tahoe from the 14th of January. Two weeks of skiing staying in a 2 bedroom condo right next to Stagecoach lift at Heavenly. We'll buy the Tahoe Value season pass so we can ski Heavenly, Kirkwood and Northstar. It's time to get back into the skiing. :)
Might be busy that first weekend. MLK Day is Jan. 16 so that's a holiday long weekend.
 
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Someone put together an interactive map that shows what locations are related by a season pass of some sort. Epic and Ikon are relatively easy to compare, in contrast to the reciprocal agreements by independent ski areas like Ski Cooper in Colorado. The Indy Pass has great coverage but the blackout dates can be a bit confusing. The link below is for Indy. Use the drop down to choose another multi-resort pass or agreement.

 

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Well I couldn't wait for Japan any longer so we've booked flights and accommodation for Lake Tahoe from the 14th of January. Two weeks of skiing staying in a 2 bedroom condo right next to Stagecoach lift at Heavenly. We'll buy the Tahoe Value season pass so we can ski Heavenly, Kirkwood and Northstar. It's time to get back into the skiing. :)
Back to an old stomping ground for you B2S. Time to pull out your old Heavenly trip report for some memories!
 
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