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You need to double-check that the Epic Day Pass doesn't require any sort of lift access reservation. If you're willing to deal with Facebook, I suppose you could ask on the Park City FB Page and see what happens. Or figure out a way to to Chat from the Park City webpage.
Yes, looked up and the epic pass was more expensive for presidents week, but guaranteed you could ski. Now going the week before! Thankyou so much for the heads up! I then researched and it is the second most busy week skiwise!will be a lot less crowded the week before!
 
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Had a look park city looks really good it’s with epic pass so looks like park city is the go I had a look it’s expensive on flights
You’ll have a great time. But it’s expensive.
You could also look at towns with a nearby ski hill. Some great ones are Jackson Wyoming, Aspen Colorado, Steamboat Colorado, Whitefish Montana, Bend Oregon, Taos New Mexico, Telluride Colorado, Mammoth Lakes California and Ketchum Idaho.
If you’re spending big money you might as well do it at a great ski hill. Personally I find those others better than Park City.
 

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You’ll have a great time. But it’s expensive.
You could also look at towns with a nearby ski hill. Some great ones are Jackson Wyoming, Aspen Colorado, Steamboat Colorado, Whitefish Montana, Bend Oregon, Taos New Mexico, Telluride Colorado, Mammoth Lakes California and Ketchum Idaho.
If you’re spending big money you might as well do it at a great ski hill. Personally I find those others better than Park City.
ok thx u i just have to go some where that the epic pass is on
 

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ok thx u i just have to go some where that the epic pass is on
Ok. That does limit things of course. Park City is a nice place. Probably not as expensive as Vail/Beaver Creek and Breckenridge.

Check out Heavenly at South Lake Tahoe. There are a couple of other Epic hills close by. Hotels at Stateline casinos are pretty reasonable.

Don’t forget Whistler that is a short bus ride up the roads from Vancouver. Vancouver is a direct flight from Sydney. Canadian dollar is a better exchange rate too.
 
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Ok. That does limit things of course. Park City is a nice place. Probably not as expensive as Vail/Beaver Creek and Breckenridge.

Check out Heavenly at South Lake Tahoe. There are a couple of other Epic hills close by. Hotels at Stateline casinos are pretty reasonable.

Don’t forget Whistler that is a short bus ride up the roads from Vancouver. Vancouver is a direct flight from Sydney. Canadian dollar is a better exchange rate too.
alright ill keep that in mind but im also doing work expereiance with the Utah jazz nba team so i probably have to stay around Utah
 

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Fair to say there will be a wide range of COVID-19 guidelines and rules for lodging at American ski resorts for the 2021-22 season. Aspen is requiring vaccination at their resort lodging. Taos is not requiring vaccination for lodging but will for indoor dining. Jackson Hole is not requiring masking in gondolas, only on the tram. Best to check individual websites for the latest info.

Alta Lodge sent out an update to people with reservations (see below).

I felt quite comfortable staying at Alta Lodge in April 2021. Given that many of the regulars who do an annual late season trip are seniors, probably 80% of the adults were vaccinated by then. I and my ski buddy were not because we were over 60 but still not yet eligible for vaccination in our home states before arriving at Alta. People could have their meals delivered to their rooms if they didn't feel comfortable eating in the dining room. The deck room had tables for meals in order to have about the same capacity with more spacing. The on-mountain food service locations were using a QR system for ordering for people who wanted to eat indoors. Worked quite well to minimize the number of people in the area where you pick up food and pay.

November 23, 2021, Alta Lodge
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Denver and the surrounding three counties are re-instating mask mandates. The following comes from the daily newsletter of the Denver Post on Nov. 24, 2021.

"Denver will join most of the metro area in once again requiring masks be worn in indoor public places starting Wednesday, though businesses can be exempted if they demonstrate they’re requiring employees and customers to show proof they’re vaccinated against COVID-19.

Adams, Arapahoe and Jefferson counties also will be under nearly identical mandates, which require masks be worn in places like stores, gyms and entertainment venues. The counties acted in concert to help reduce the current surge’s strain on the health care system, officials said. Meg Wingerter reports."
 

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Will try do that it will be expensive but u never know
At least consider checking out Brighton during a night session to see how the locals enjoy the slopes after school/work. Can take the UTA bus up the canyon. The high school kids do that regularly.

Ask around, maybe someone would be willing to get you a ticket for a pass holder discount of some sort.
 
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Folks hoping to ski in the Rockies and PacNW aren't too happy. Dry and warm has been the reality in most of November.

The southeast and northeast is where snowmaking and snowstorms are leading to pretty good expectations for the rest of early season.
 
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Perhaps not for this season, but if anyone is traveling to New York City during the winter and is curious about skiing a few hours drive north, here's an introduction to Central New York ski areas. New York is one of the American states with the most ski areas. Lake Placid where the Winter Olympics were held twice is about a five hour drive north of NYC.

The Adirondack Park is quite a bit bigger than Yosemite or Yellowstone. It's a special state park that was established by New York in 1892.

November 23, 2021, New York, (USA)
 

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Perhaps not for this season, but if anyone is traveling to New York City during the winter and is curious about skiing a few hours drive north, here's an introduction to Central New York ski areas. New York is one of the American states with the most ski areas. Lake Placid where the Winter Olympics were held twice is about a five hour drive north of NYC.

November 23, 2021, New York, (USA)
Nice read.
Care to offer some tips on where and what days/dates to avoid what I suspect could be significant crowding?
 

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Nice read.
Care to offer some tips on where and what days/dates to avoid what I suspect could be significant crowding?
The two holiday weekends around the Monday holidays are worth avoiding. Martin Luther King (MLK) Day is the middle of January and President's Day (formerly George Washington's Birthday) is mid-February. Many schools in the region have a mid-winter break the full week after President's Day. For instance, Feb. 21-25, 2021 will be busy, together with the weekend before and perhaps the weekend after as well.

That said, if you go to the "old school" ski areas, could be a fun day without long lift lines. I'm going to test out that idea using the Indy Pass with a couple friends in Feb. We'll be based in the Berkshires, the mountains in western Massachusetts where I could get a timeshare unit. There are several ski areas within an hour or two drive. I've been to a couple but my friends haven't. So it's a chance to explore for fun without really worrying too much about the ski conditions. With the Indy Pass, we get 2 days at each location. For 2020-21, there are about 75 locations scattered around N. America.
 
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The two holiday weekends around the Monday holidays are worth avoiding. Martin Luther King (MLK) Day is the middle of January and President's Day (formerly George Washington's Birthday) is mid-February. Many schools in the region have a mid-winter break the full week after President's Day. For instance, Feb. 21-25, 2021 will be busy, together with the weekend before and perhaps the weekend after as well.

That said, if you go to the "old school" ski areas, could be a fun day without long lift lines. I'm going to test out that idea using the Indy Pass with a couple friends in Feb. We'll be based in the Berkshires, the mountains in western Massachusetts where I could get a timeshare unit. There are several ski areas within an hour or two drive. I've been to a couple but my friends haven't. So it's a chance to explore for fun without really worrying too much about the ski conditions. With the Indy Pass, we get 2 days at each location. For 2020-21, there are about 75 locations scattered around N. America.
I've checked out the Indy Pass and have designs on using one in conjunction with Mountain Collective for a prolonged road trip one winter soon. I would stick with the western side of US and Canada though. I guess skiing in the east of North America would be a opportunistic thing if we were in the area at the right time. I'm guessing it could get chilly in January?
 

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I've checked out the Indy Pass and have designs on using one in conjunction with Mountain Collective for a prolonged road trip one winter soon. I would stick with the western side of US and Canada though. I guess skiing in the east of North America would be a opportunistic thing if we were in the area at the right time. I'm guessing it could get chilly in January?
January in the northeast isn't going to be colder than anywhere in Canada. February and March are better from a snow conditions standpoint. Same reasons as in the Rockies. Can't count on full snow coverage until mid-January.

My ski safaris in the northeast happened when my daughter was in school either in Lake Placid or Boston, 2013-19. I added a few days of skiing before or after her school breaks. I was traveling solo and could be very flexible about where I actually skied.

What you have to watch for in the northeast is a rain event when it's not cold enough for snow. Take a look at a map of the Atlantic states. The weather systems come from two directions. The cold fronts come down across the Great Lakes or down from Québec into New York, Vermont, and New Hampshire. They often make it down as far as North Carolina. That's why West Virginia gets a lot of snow and the NC mountains can support several ski areas. The warm weather comes up from the Gulf. Goes right up the east side of the Appalachian mountains into Pennsylvania, southern New York, and eventually to Maine. That's why New England can have rain followed by a deep freeze less than 24 hours later.
 
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CNN expects that tomorrow afternoon's press conference will see the announcement of:

*Shortening the covid test required before travel to the USA to 1 day prior (from 3 days prior).
*Requiring everyone to get a covid test a few days after arrival into the USA.
 

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CNN expects that tomorrow afternoon's press conference will see the announcement of:

*Shortening the covid test required before travel to the USA to 1 day prior (from 3 days prior).
*Requiring everyone to get a covid test a few days after arrival into the USA.
Very interested in what happens when one tests positive after arrival into the US. I guess it goes without saying that you are not allowed to get on the plane if you test positive prior to boarding.
 

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Snowbird opened today. Much more limited terrain options than Alta but you had essentially free-reign to go wherever around the Little Cloud chairlift. Some stale powder made for good skiing in the shadowy-northern aspects.

Needs more snow. ~6" maybe more, predicted for the wasatch on Monday/Tuesday.

Park City also opened the Payday and First Time lifts on the park city side today, joining the canyons side, which opened last weekend, in opening for the season. It's the usual opening for Park City when relying on man made snow.
 

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Park City also opened the Payday and First Time lifts on the park city side today, joining the canyons side, which opened last weekend, in opening for the season. It's the usual opening for Park City when relying on man made snow.
Good to know. I checked the website this morning but there was no opening date on the homepage for the PC side yet.

I've got a list of opening dates. Still waiting for a date for Heavenly and Northstar.
 

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I'm planning on travelling in early Jan for 3 weeks and want to know what people would do in my shoes.

Fly to Denver and spend 3 weeks around Breck, Vail, Keystone on an Epic Pass /

or

2 weeks around Breck , Vail, keystone and then Fly to SLC and do a week in Park City.

I'll be solo and hosteling to save money (god help me).

I would ideally want to be close to the mountain to avoid buses and hiring a car.

and this is all assuming borders arn't slammed shut between now and Jan.
 

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I'm planning on travelling in early Jan for 3 weeks and want to know what people would do in my shoes.

Fly to Denver and spend 3 weeks around Breck, Vail, Keystone on an Epic Pass /

or

2 weeks around Breck , Vail, keystone and then Fly to SLC and do a week in Park City.

I'll be solo and hosteling to save money (god help me).

I would ideally want to be close to the mountain to avoid buses and hiring a car.

and this is all assuming borders arn't slammed shut between now and Jan.
Have you skied when the base is at over 9,000 ft before? That's the case for Breck.

Do you mean you want to move and stay at different places while skiing Breck, Vail, and Keystone? I haven't skied any of them because I use Ikon and not Epic. But I know how far the drive is between them. Even someone with a car would be unlikely to try to stay in one place and ski all three of those resorts during the same two weeks. Staying in Dillon or Frisco and taking the bus to Breck and Keystone is possible from what I've read.

A friend stayed at The Bunkhouse in Minturn to ski Vail shortly after it opened. It's a "boutique hostel." As I remember even though he had a car, he took the bus to start the ski day. He'd found out before the trip how to ski back to Minturn.
 
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Have you skied when the base is at over 9,000 ft before? That's the case for Breck.

Do you mean you want to move and stay at different places while skiing Breck, Vail, and Keystone? I haven't skied any of them because I use Ikon and not Epic. But I know how far the drive is between them. Even someone with a car would be unlikely to try to stay in one place and ski all three of those resorts during the same two weeks. Staying in Dillon or Frisco and taking the bus to Breck and Keystone is possible from what I've read.

A friend stayed at The Bunkhouse in Minturn to ski Vail shortly after it opened. It's a "boutique hostel." As I remember even though he had a car, he took the bus to start the ski day. He'd found out before the trip how to ski back to Minturn.
I've spent weeks hiking between 10,000 ft and 16,000ft with little altitude sickness so i'm not overly worried about that.

I'm planning on basing myself in Breck, theres a hostel called The Bivvi that seem decent. Spend most days at Breck but try and do a few days at Keystone and Vail as day trips if possible, although that might be a bit ambitious looking at the distances now.

I'm itinerary is really open as i'm by myself
 
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I've spent weeks hiking between 10,000 ft and 16,000ft with little altitude sickness so i'm not overly worried about that.

I'm planning on basing myself in Breck, theres a hostel called The Bivvi that seem decent. Spend most days at Breck but try and do a few days at Keystone and Vail as day trips if possible, although that might be a bit ambitious looking at the distances now.

I'm itinerary is really open as i'm by myself
Breck with a day trip to Keystone I could see being worth it. Have you looked at the bus schedules? Can't remember what they did with the commuter buses last season. I skied with friends in Colorado but we had cars. My crew are mostly retirees with time, money, and interest for ski safaris so driving is the only practical approach.

Have you been following the snow conditions for Colorado and Utah? If not, check out OpenSnow. Not good there right now.
 
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I wouldn’t bother with coming to utah if you’re already in Colorado. There is the park city hostel in town that you could stay in but it’s still going to be more than $100USD/night for a hostel bed and then you’ve got park city & (difficult to get to without a car) snowbasin as options on the epic pass but you have lots more resort options in Colorado.

You’ll have better skiing by going down to check out crested butte & telluride in southern Colorado.

Look to see if you can rent a car for a non-outrageous cost in Denver?

Don’t be too concerned about the snow. January is several storms away.
 

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Does anyone have a good link to the exact documentation you need to enter the USA at present?
 

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Read the other day that there is a wait queue to get a USA visa for nearly 300 days.
Apparently there are only 2 operating consulates at the moment in Australia as the Sydney consulate is still moving premises and won't be ready to move into until later this year and the old office is closed.
You must have a face to face interview to get a USA visa.

Edit: found a link:

 

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Read the other day that there is a wait queue to get a USA visa for nearly 300 days.
Apparently there are only 2 operating consulates at the moment in Australia as the Sydney consulate is still moving premises and won't be ready to move into until later this year and the old office is closed.
You must have a face to face interview to get a USA visa.

Edit: found a link:

Yep, but the vast majority don’t need a Visa in the first place.
 

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Hi Brains Trust

Due to circumstances, I land in LAX next Feb just before presidents’ day, then I have 3 days before the family arrive in Aspen to start our family trip on Sunday 19th Feb. Always wanted to ride Jackson Hole or Big Sky but I probably wont be leaving myself enough time with flights etc.

I could fly straight to Denver and ski somewhere over presidents day weekend but am I going to be hating it, with crowds etc? Are there small resorts I can easily ride between Denver and Aspen? I have the ikon pass so keen to utilise it but if its extraordinarily busy because of presidents day I could def ride them! Someone mentioned Howelsen Hill next to Steamboat.

Thx all!
 

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Hi Brains Trust

Due to circumstances, I land in LAX next Feb just before presidents’ day, then I have 3 days before the family arrive in Aspen to start our family trip on Sunday 19th Feb. Always wanted to ride Jackson Hole or Big Sky but I probably wont be leaving myself enough time with flights etc.

I could fly straight to Denver and ski somewhere over presidents day weekend but am I going to be hating it, with crowds etc? Are there small resorts I can easily ride between Denver and Aspen? I have the ikon pass so keen to utilise it but if its extraordinarily busy because of presidents day I could def ride them! Someone mentioned Howelsen Hill next to Steamboat.

Thx all!
I presume you mean Feb 2023 . . . maybe time for a new thread. ;)

I'll be at Steamboat over President's Day weekend, skiing starting on Friday, Feb. 17. Based on my experience during that holiday weekend a few years ago (pre-pandemic), once you get away from the main base it's not that hard to avoid long lift lines if you are willing to ride slower lifts. What was more important was avoiding the lunch rush. Of course, pays to be early for the gondola first thing in the morning. I would expect HH to be pretty busy with locals. It's fun but pretty small.

Driving between Denver and Aspen, Copper is on the way. Since beginner and intermediate terrain is separate from advanced terrain, probably not too hard to avoid the crowds. The ski area locals talk about is Ski Cooper. No snowmaking and no lines from what I've read.

I did a trip to Aspen that started with a few ski days at Alta. My friends and I drove a couple SUVs from SLC.
 
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I presume you mean Feb 2023 . . . maybe time for a new thread. ;)

I'll be at Steamboat over President's Day weekend, skiing starting on Friday, Feb. 17. Based on my experience during that holiday weekend a few years ago (pre-pandemic), once you get away from the main base it's not that hard to avoid long lift lines if you are willing to ride slower lifts. What was more important was avoiding the lunch rush. Of course, pays to be early for the gondola first thing in the morning. I would expect HH to be pretty busy with locals. It's fun but pretty small.

Driving between Denver and Aspen, Copper is on the way. Since beginner and intermediate terrain is separate from advanced terrain, probably not too hard to avoid the crowds. The ski area locals talk about is Ski Cooper. No snowmaking and no lines from what I've read.

I did a trip to Aspen that started with a few ski days at Alta. My friends and I drove a couple SUVs from SLC.

Awesome, appreciate the insight as usual. I think you've talked me into Steamboat. Denver def the easiest place to fly to from LAX. If I go there ill reach out if you want to ride with a snowboarder. I like riding with skiers but obviously avoid bumps!

With only 2-3 days before the family arrive i want to maximize ski time but minimize Breck/Vail style queues. If i rent a one way rental from DEN and return at ASE that will give me the flexibility to ride Steamboat, maybe Copper and then make my way down to Aspen.
 

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Awesome, appreciate the insight as usual. I think you've talked me into Steamboat. Denver def the easiest place to fly to from LAX. If I go there ill reach out if you want to ride with a snowboarder. I like riding with skiers but obviously avoid bumps!

With only 2-3 days before the family arrive i want to maximize ski time but minimize Breck/Vail style queues. If i rent a one way rental from DEN and return at ASE that will give me the flexibility to ride Steamboat, maybe Copper and then make my way down to Aspen.
Other than reserving the rental car, might want to stay flexible in your lodging reservation. If there is a big snowstorm, could make driving to Steamboat a bit of a push.

Happy to do some runs together at Steamboat. Does avoiding bumps mean you avoid powder in the trees too?
 
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Awesome, appreciate the insight as usual. I think you've talked me into Steamboat. Denver def the easiest place to fly to from LAX. If I go there ill reach out if you want to ride with a snowboarder. I like riding with skiers but obviously avoid bumps!

With only 2-3 days before the family arrive i want to maximize ski time but minimize Breck/Vail style queues. If i rent a one way rental from DEN and return at ASE that will give me the flexibility to ride Steamboat, maybe Copper and then make my way down to Aspen.
Colorado is a great place to get some time in the bumps on a board. We were floored by how many bumps runs there were when we arrived. Avoided them the first week then made the commitment to ride them and work on bumps technique. By the end we were actively seeking them out, and because there tended to be a lot of bumps in the trees it sure helped with riding through them!
 

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Not Ikon affiliated but staying in Glenwood Springs and having a couple of days at Sunlight would be cool. Glenwood is a nice little town with some interesting 'Wild West' style history. And there is the springs too of course.
Sunlight day tickets are very reasonable compared to other nearby ski hills.
If you've not been to Aspen/Snowmass/Highlands you'll love it. I've never waited more than a minute in a lift line - and I've skied there over Christmas/New Year.
 
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Not Ikon affiliated but staying in Glenwood Springs and having a couple of days at Sunlight would be cool. Glenwood is a nice little town with some interesting 'Wild West' style history. And there is the springs too of course.
Sunlight day tickets are very reasonable compared to other nearby ski hills.
If you've not been to Aspen/Snowmass/Highlands you'll love it. I've never waited more than a minute in a lift line - and I've skied there over Christmas/New Year.
Don’t overlook Buttermilk either! We had a cracking day there.

This whole area in and out of the trees is outstanding, and because a lot of the patronage at Buttermilk are young families on piste - it retains fresh cover a bit longer.
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Don’t overlook Buttermilk either! We had a cracking day there.

This whole area in and out of the trees is outstanding, and because a lot of the patronage at Buttermilk are young families on piste - it retains fresh cover a bit longer.
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Yep. Got a six inch powder day there one year. Virtually no competition either. My kids still talk about that day.
 
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Awesome, appreciate the insight as usual. I think you've talked me into Steamboat. Denver def the easiest place to fly to from LAX. If I go there ill reach out if you want to ride with a snowboarder. I like riding with skiers but obviously avoid bumps!

With only 2-3 days before the family arrive i want to maximize ski time but minimize Breck/Vail style queues. If i rent a one way rental from DEN and return at ASE that will give me the flexibility to ride Steamboat, maybe Copper and then make my way down to Aspen.
I love Steamboat, but the Copper suggestion is also a good one.
 
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