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Hey just looking to pick up my first pair of skis.

Couldn’t find anything on gumtree and thought this might be a good place to look. At least looking for recommendations for any other places online or in Melbourne I should look at.

I’m inter/advanced skier. Looking for all round skis. I’m 200cm, 100kg. Moderately aggressive. Spend most of my time on piste. Would love some twin tips. I’m going to japan Next year also. I think I’d be looking for 190s. Price range would ideally be $200-$300

Any advice or offer would be greatly appreciated.
 

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200cm and 100kg. Can you run and catch a ball? The Wallabies need some outside backs pronto! ;)

What you’re looking for sounds about right. If you’re mainly skiing groomed runs though, why are you looking for twin tips? I’d have thought an all mountain ski which will come with tail rise almost certainly, would be a better bet. Something like a Line Supernatural. I think the relevant models to look at would be a 92 and 100. If you’re heading to Japan the 100 would offer more versatility for use in Oz and Japan. I think that’s now a discontinued line but there will be plenty of run off and second hand versions.
 

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200cm and 100kg. Can you run and catch a ball? The Wallabies need some outside backs pronto! ;)

What you’re looking for sounds about right. If you’re mainly skiing groomed runs though, why are you looking for twin tips? I’d have thought an all mountain ski which will come with tail rise almost certainly, would be a better bet. Something like a Line Supernatural. I think the relevant models to look at would be a 92 and 100. If you’re heading to Japan the 100 would offer more versatility for use in Oz and Japan. I think that’s now a discontinued line but there will be plenty of run off and second hand versions.

twin tips because I spent the tail end of last season trying to muck around in the park. I agree, I typically still spend a lot of time on the groomers so having done a bit more research I think a decent all mountain pair would be better for me. Finding secondhand skis has been particularly difficult in the length I need. I think I have found a pair on ebay that are in pretty good condition.
 
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At your height and weight, you will want to make sure anything you get is on the stiff (or damp) side. It's pretty easy to overpower some skis just by throwing your weight around, lighter less rigid skis will end up feeling a bit like wet noodles in anything other than corduroy, or anything above gentle speeds.

You see a lot of Volkl skis around 2nd hand, they are generally more rigid than the average ski. Other brands have damp skis too. Shout out in here any ski models you're looking at (brand/model/year if possible) and we'll try and advise.
 

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I came across this in my searches.

What is the quality of gear like? It says European gear but my mate thinks they get in Chinese crap.

If the equipment isn't garbage it could be worth a look for me.

No idea... I’ll take a look at their Ashburton sale in Melbourne but for my money overseas online discounters or local bricks & mortar stores are the go.

https://aussieskier.com/or https://www.snowinn.com/ are my points of reference.

NZ retailers are worth a look, as are Rakuten and Amazon (may not ship to Oz)

IF you know what you’re after ebay/gumtree is an option, but real deals are hard to find.

I buy touring gear and use French, German and Italian search terms in Ebay to unearth stock that is otherwise hidden.
 
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I was planning to go take a look at these tomorrow night. The seller hasn’t been able to give me much info other than they are old and narrow underfoot.

They are also all I could really find in my length second hand and are crazy cheap.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Atomic-...rentrq:4bb9ff0f16b0ad31c39e3de0ffe4cedd|iid:1

I’ve been searching online but have had a tough time finding 190s. Typically websites seem to have 1 style of 190cm ski. I may or may not buy those eBay skis but I’ll keep my ear to the ground for anything else as I’m pretty sure those skis aren’t going to be exactly what I want.
 
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I was planning to go take a look at these tomorrow night. The seller hasn’t been able to give me much info other than they are old and narrow underfoot.

They are also all I could really find in my length second hand and are crazy cheap.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Atomic-Downhill-Skis-190cm-Mens/372685619386?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160908105057&meid=86dcc4e1f4494ae7992f36f497499241&pid=100675&rk=1&rkt=9&sd=372685619386&itm=372685619386&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci:250490f6-8d10-11e9-9525-74dbd18071e5|parentrq:4bb9ff0f16b0ad31c39e3de0ffe4cedd|iid:1

I’ve been searching online but have had a tough time finding 190s. Typically websites seem to have 1 style of 190cm ski. I may or may not buy those eBay skis but I’ll keep my ear to the ground for anything else as I’m pretty sure those skis aren’t going to be exactly what I want.
Don’t do it
 
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I was planning to go take a look at these tomorrow night. The seller hasn’t been able to give me much info other than they are old and narrow underfoot.

They are also all I could really find in my length second hand and are crazy cheap.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Atomic-Downhill-Skis-190cm-Mens/372685619386?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160908105057&meid=86dcc4e1f4494ae7992f36f497499241&pid=100675&rk=1&rkt=9&sd=372685619386&itm=372685619386&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci:250490f6-8d10-11e9-9525-74dbd18071e5|parentrq:4bb9ff0f16b0ad31c39e3de0ffe4cedd|iid:1

I’ve been searching online but have had a tough time finding 190s. Typically websites seem to have 1 style of 190cm ski. I may or may not buy those eBay skis but I’ll keep my ear to the ground for anything else as I’m pretty sure those skis aren’t going to be exactly what I want.
Those skis are at least 2 decades old. I had a red version for a while. Absolute weapons on hard pack as long as you could ride the edges. Complete disaster in the soft. I wouldn't go there unless they were part of a quiver (which you don't want).
 

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Those skis are at least 2 decades old. I had a red version for a while. Absolute weapons on hard pack as long as you could ride the edges. Complete disaster in the soft. I wouldn't go there unless they were part of a quiver (which you don't want).

This seems like fair advice. Considering I've only really ridden all mountain rentals I think I'd struggle a fair amount. Good advice, I'll wait for something else to come up.
 
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I was planning to go take a look at these tomorrow night. The seller hasn’t been able to give me much info other than they are old and narrow underfoot.

They are also all I could really find in my length second hand and are crazy cheap.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Atomic-Downhill-Skis-190cm-Mens/372685619386?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160908105057&meid=86dcc4e1f4494ae7992f36f497499241&pid=100675&rk=1&rkt=9&sd=372685619386&itm=372685619386&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci:250490f6-8d10-11e9-9525-74dbd18071e5|parentrq:4bb9ff0f16b0ad31c39e3de0ffe4cedd|iid:1

I’ve been searching online but have had a tough time finding 190s. Typically websites seem to have 1 style of 190cm ski. I may or may not buy those eBay skis but I’ll keep my ear to the ground for anything else as I’m pretty sure those skis aren’t going to be exactly what I want.
Yes, they are a 1999/2000 model. The name is a give away Atomic Beta Carv 9.18.... Anything with "carv" or "carve" in the name means it was the first generation of shaped skis, and length is also the give away..... 190cm.

I'd be more concerned about the 20yo bindings.... could be corroded inside, just waiting to destroy your knees.
 
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I thought of suggesting that - a good ski at a good price - you won’t do better than that.

The skis look good but I'm unsure if 181cm twins would be the right length for me. Doesn't that put the effective length somewhere in the mid 170s?

A mate that I go sking with picked up some 179 twins last year and he is a head and 15kgs less than me.
 

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Skiing a ski that’s effectively a mid 70’s ski is not a problem.

If you look at the picture of those Elans they’re plenty wide so you’ll have enough surface on the snow.

Plus they’d have reasonably good tortional stiffness which makes up for them being effectively shorter

I’m 176cm and have skied a 165cm through to a 190cm ski.

A twin tip in the park is not bad to have a bit shorter as it gives you easier maneuvrability, and it also means a lighter ski, which means its more playful.

Getting them on edge will give you plenty control.

I ski a Wailer 112 on piste sometimes and it’s led me to understand that shape and width, and tortional stiffness play as much a role as ski length.

It’s also whether you locate the bindings forward or back - not that I would change the binding position on those Elans - which at $125 or so are a steal.

No better deal available- I love the Annums I got off @mr
 

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Skiing a ski that’s effectively a mid 70’s ski is not a problem.

If you look at the picture of those Elans they’re plenty wide so you’ll have enough surface on the snow.

Plus they’d have reasonably good tortional stiffness which makes up for them being effectively shorter

I’m 176cm and have skied a 165cm through to a 190cm ski.

A twin tip in the park is not bad to have a bit shorter as it gives you easier maneuvrability, and it also means a lighter ski, which means its more playful.

Getting them on edge will give you plenty control.

I ski a Wailer 112 on piste sometimes and it’s led me to understand that shape and width, and tortional stiffness play as much a role as ski length.

It’s also whether you locate the bindings forward or back - not that I would change the binding position on those Elans - which at $125 or so are a steal.

No better deal available- I love the Annums I got off @mr

I will say you are selling these skis well.

I can appreciate the width compensating for the length. Is the extra width going to hamper my mobility? Probably not much more than the issues I have with 185s being so long its hard to turn them quickly.

I know I was talking about twin tips to hit the park in my initial post but it is probably more of a pipe dream than a requiremet. My time on the slopes is probably going to look something like 80% groomed runs, 10% off piste, 10% park. Based on some of the earlier comments all mountain skis are probably the way I should go.

Sorry for seeming resistant on this. I know very little about skis and what is appropriate for me so I am trying to learn as much as I can.
 

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I will say you are selling these skis well.

I can appreciate the width compensating for the length. Is the extra width going to hamper my mobility? Probably not much more than the issues I have with 185s being so long its hard to turn them quickly.

I know I was talking about twin tips to hit the park in my initial post but it is probably more of a pipe dream than a requiremet. My time on the slopes is probably going to look something like 80% groomed runs, 10% off piste, 10% park. Based on some of the earlier comments all mountain skis are probably the way I should go.

Sorry for seeming resistant on this. I know very little about skis and what is appropriate for me so I am trying to learn as much as I can.
The bigger issue is the frame touring bindings - add some skins and you’re into touring the side country! Big plus believe me! They’ll put you a little bit higher off the snow - I’ve skied frame bindings on piste for ages, and it is fine either way.

The width won’t hamper your mobility as the shape of the ski at the front plus the sidecut means that you’ll have plenty responsiveness going into your turns. The width on the ski is in the back half.

Researching side-cut and taper, and rocker and rise.... believe me, most of us don’t really want to go there.
 

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Even if we assume those Elan twin tips are going to work, you need to give some serious consideration to the suitability of the bindings; in fact more consideration than to the skis themselves.

The Elans are mounted with a reasonably lightweight Fritschi Freeride AT binding (looks like the Freeride Plus). While that's a tried-and-true AT binding (from the late noughties mind you) it's not going to be ideal for a 100kg, moderately aggressive skier on piste. They're not as torsionally rigid as a dedicated alpine binding, and they sit your boot higher off the ski. While they may be capable enough on the front side (for an AT binding) I wouldn't dare hit a park feature with those bindings on my skis, even if that's just a pipe dream.

The Fritschi Freeride Plus came in various sizes and the seller says these are XL. From memory the Medium fits a boot up to around 335mm (my own size). If you're 200cm tall you'll most likely be ok with the XL, but do take the time to check. Even then adjusting the binding to fit your (probably) larger boot will move you rearwards on the binding and therefore rearwards on the ski, leaving you (probably) a little way behind the manufacturer's preferred line, depending on where the seller mounted themselves and the size of the seller's boot.

Lots to think about here - more than just the suitability of the ski.
 
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Even if we assume those Elan twin tips are going to work, you need to give some serious consideration to suitability of the bindings; in fact more consideration than to the skis themselves.

The Elans are mounted with a reasonably lightweight Fritschi Freeride AT binding (looks like the Freeride Plus). While that's a tried-and-true AT binding (from the late noughties mind you) it's not going to be ideal for a 100kg, moderately aggressive skier on piste. They're not as torsionally rigid as a dedicated alpine binding, and they sit your boot higher off the ski. While they may be capable enough on the front side (for an AT binding) I wouldn't dare hit a park feature with those bindings on my ski, even if that's just a pipe dream.

The Fritschi Freeride Plus came in various sizes and the seller says these are XL. From memory the Medium fits a boot up to around 335mm (my own size). If you're 200cm tall you'll most likely be ok with the XL, but do take the time to check. Even then adjusting the binding to fit your (probably) larger boot will move you rearwards on the ski, leaving you (probably) a little way behind the manufacturer's preferred line, depending on where the seller mounted themselves and the size of the seller's boot.

Lots to think about here - more than just the suitability of the ski.
+1 - I’d put other bindings on those Elans for inbounds.
 

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There are some good bindings currently on sale on the forum - ask @mr if he’ll consider splitting the bindings and the skis, or on-sell the bindings yourself.

There’s strong demand still for frame BC bindings.
 

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I will say you are selling these skis well.

I can appreciate the width compensating for the length. Is the extra width going to hamper my mobility? Probably not much more than the issues I have with 185s being so long its hard to turn them quickly.

I know I was talking about twin tips to hit the park in my initial post but it is probably more of a pipe dream than a requiremet. My time on the slopes is probably going to look something like 80% groomed runs, 10% off piste, 10% park. Based on some of the earlier comments all mountain skis are probably the way I should go.

Sorry for seeming resistant on this. I know very little about skis and what is appropriate for me so I am trying to learn as much as I can.
I'm not really sure why you want 190cm skis if you find 185cm hard to turn. If you want them longer to distribute your weight, I can understand that... But 190cm is not common these days, except on long big rockered powder skis, which you don't want.
I'd be inclined to go for a 180-185cm ski, a little wider (90mm underfoot), with a small amount of "early rise"/rocker in the tip to make them easier to turn, straight tail or tiny rocker.... Forget the twin tips.
Go for a 16-18m turn radius, since you have issues turning a 185cm ski. And make sure they have a fair bit of stiffness for your weight.
A second hand ski may be a bit "worn out" from the flex point of view, so don't get anything too old.
 

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I'm not really sure why you want 190cm skis if you find 185cm hard to turn. If you want them longer to distribute your weight, I can understand that... But 190cm is not common these days, except on long big rockered powder skis, which you don't want.
I'd be inclined to go for a 180-185cm ski, a little wider (90mm underfoot), with a small amount of "early rise"/rocker in the tip to make them easier to turn, straight tail or tiny rocker.... Forget the twin tips.
Go for a 16-18m turn radius, since you have issues turning a 185cm ski. And make sure they have a fair bit of stiffness for your weight.
A second hand ski may be a bit "worn out" from the flex point of view, so don't get anything to old.
Wot he said.

The oracle has spoken
 

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Seriously, it’s not worth going below a certain price limit (unless via this forum) / age of ski!

I’m all for chasing rainbows and hunting unicorns but.
 
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Hey just noticed these in another thread.

https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/2012-kastle-fx94-186cm-salomon-s914-bindings.82817/

they seem to fit the bill of what @Sandy was describing above.

Edit: felt like I should mention I got fitted for a pair of 27/27.5 boots the other day.
Whilst I'd be a little concerned about you overpowering them, this is the only thing you've posted that's in the ballpark. Everything else is not worth a tenner and will only hold you back.
 

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Hey just noticed these in another thread.

https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/2012-kastle-fx94-186cm-salomon-s914-bindings.82817/

they seem to fit the bill of what @Sandy was describing above.

Edit: felt like I should mention I got fitted for a pair of 27/27.5 boots the other day.

Hi. Those are mine. I've been following this thread and wondering if you'd get around to noticing the Kastles.

They're a 2011 model, and one of the better-reviewed all mountain skis of their day. Have a look around to find some reviews on that model. It's hard to find anyone who didn't like the FX94.

Most all mountain skis now have a little early rise in the tip and (sometimes) the tail, and the FX94 itself evolved to have early rise tips in about 2014. On the other hand the first of the FX94s (i.e. this ski) has full camber, with a slightly turned up tail. If you're looking for something with that sort of turning radius they'd be a great choice. The bases are in great condition, they have virtually all of the original edge material left, they still provide good rebound out of a turn, and they ski very well. Kastle positioned them as Chris Davenport's side country / back country ski, but with twin layers of 0.3mm titanal they're a bit more hefty than modern back country skis. I'm about 100kg when I stand on a pair of skis, I ski quite aggressively, and I've never felt like they weren't doing the job.

The price has been set as low as I care to go. I have several other pair of skis, and I'm keen to find the FX94s a good home, but any lower than that and I'm happy to keep them. I still enjoy skiing them, I just have logistical problems taking more than two / three pair of skis down to the snow for any one trip.

With a 27 boot (200cm tall and a 27 boot, really? I'm 193cm tall and use a 29 boot) you'll need to remount the heel of the binding (at least). Remounting bindings like that isn't a big deal. Given they've already been drilled twice under the toe piece you'd be better off moving the heel pieces forward about 15-20mm (depending on the sole length of your boots). They're already mounted a little forward of the manufacturer's line so you'd end up a little further forward again - perhaps 16-18mm forward of the line. Kastle was inclined to nominate a factory mount point that many people thought was a tad too far back in any case, so that position won't be a big deal. It'll quicken up the ski and make it easier to turn. By way of example, I used to have a pair of Head Monster 78s (183cm) with bindings on a Tyrolia Power Rail and I always skied them 15mm forward of the manufacturer's line by preference.

http://peakskierzone.proboards.com/thread/163/kastle-fx-94-smooth-easy

The Salomon S914 binding is a very good older binding with a DIN range of 6-14. They've always worked well for me. I imagine they're no longer on the binding indemnification list. Have a search online to figure out what that means.

So, in summary, if you're looking for an all mountain ski with that sort of radius they'd be a great option. They're certainly a well-reviewed ski, and they're miles better than some of the other skis you've looked at. You'd have to remount the heel of the binding, and you'd end up standing a little bit in front of the manufacturer's line, but that's fine - preferable in fact.
 
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Hi. Those are mine. I've been following this thread and wondering if you'd get around to noticing the Kastles.

They're a 2011 model, and one of the better-reviewed all mountain skis of their day. Have a look around to find some reviews on that model. It's hard to find anyone who didn't like the FX94.

Most all mountain skis now have a little early rise in the tip and (sometimes) the tail, and the FX94 itself evolved to have early rise tips in about 2014. On the other hand the first of the FX94s (i.e. this ski) has full camber, with a slightly turned up tail. If you're looking for something with that sort of turning radius they'd be a great choice. The bases are in great condition, they have virtually all of the original edge material left, they still provide good rebound out of a turn, and they ski very well. Kastle positioned them as Chris Davenport's side country / back country ski, but with twin layers of 0.3mm titanal they're a bit more hefty than modern back country skis. I'm about 100kg when I stand on a pair of skis, I ski quite aggressively, and I've never felt like they weren't doing the job.

The price has been set as low as I care to go. I have several other pair of skis, and I'm keen to find the FX94s a good home, but any lower than that and I'm happy to keep them. I still enjoy skiing them, I just have logistical problems taking more than two / three pair of skis down to the snow for any one trip.

With a 27 boot (200cm tall and a 27 boot, really? I'm 193cm tall and use a 29 boot) you'll need to remount the heel of the binding (at least). Remounting bindings like that isn't a big deal. Given they've already been drilled twice under the toe piece you'd be better off moving the heel pieces forward about 15-20mm (depending on the sole length of your boots). They're already mounted a little forward of the manufacturer's line so you'd end up a little further forward again - perhaps 16-18mm forward of the line. Kastle was inclined to nominate a factory mount point that many people thought was a tad too far back in any case, so that position won't be a big deal. It'll quicken up the ski and make it easier to turn. By way of example, I used to have a pair of Head Monster 78s (183cm) with bindings on a Tyrolia Power Rail and I always skied them 15mm forward of the manufacturer's line by preference.

http://peakskierzone.proboards.com/thread/163/kastle-fx-94-smooth-easy

The Salomon S914 binding is a very good older binding with a DIN range of 6-14. They've always worked well for me. I imagine they're no longer on the binding indemnification list. Have a search online to figure out what that means.

So, in summary, if you're looking for an all mountain ski with that sort of radius they'd be a great option. They're certainly a well-reviewed ski, and they're miles better than some of the other skis you've looked at. You'd have to remount the heel of the binding, and you'd end up standing a little bit in front of the manufacturer's line, but that's fine - preferable in fact.


Hey, thanks for the info. Yeah I have quite square feet. Had to get slightly wider cut boots and pop out the outside edges a little. Simon at Footpro in Malvern was fantastic with the fitting.

At the moment your skis are the front runner. Having to move the bindings might be annoying but shouldn’t be a problem I imagine.

I’m probably going to hold out for this gear sale at the end of June to see if I can find something perfect. If not I’ll be in contact for sure.
 

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Hey, thanks for the info. Yeah I have quite square feet. Had to get slightly wider cut boots and pop out the outside edges a little. Simon at Footpro in Malvern was fantastic with the fitting.

At the moment your skis are the front runner. Having to move the bindings might be annoying but shouldn’t be a problem I imagine.

I’m probably going to hold out for this gear sale at the end of June to see if I can find something perfect. If not I’ll be in contact for sure.
The gear sale end June won’t deliver anything better & certainly not better priced.
 

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Those Liberty skis are a lightweight, symmetrical park'n'pipe ski. Not ideal.

There's a pair of new Dynastar Powertrack 84s in 183cm on eBay. Great price for a well-reviewed, brand new ski. Modern shape, great carving ski and versatile all over the hill. Not sure if that's what you're after, but have a read about them. They're perhaps a tad narrow for Japan although they'd work ok. 183cm was the longest they made these, so that's your length.

I demoed the Powertrack 89 a couple of years back and thought they were one of the very few skis I've tried where the manufacturer's mark was a bit too far forward. I adjusted myself back 20-25mm (I forget which) on the demo bindings and was happier there. Read up on the mount point as these look to be new-and-unmounted, so you'd get the chance to choose where they're mounted.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-Po...260823?hash=item2ace269297:g:DdIAAOSwT8FdAvPu
 
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Those Liberty skis are a lightweight, symmetrical park'n'pipe ski. Not ideal.

There's a pair of new Dynastar Powertrack 84s in 183cm on eBay. Great price for a well-reviewed, brand new ski. Modern shape, great carving ski and versatile all over the hill. Not sure if that's what you're after, but have a read about them. They're perhaps a tad narrow for Japan although they'd work ok. 183cm was the longest they made these, so that's your length.

I demoed the Powertrack 89 a couple of years back and thought they were one of the very few skis I've tried where the manufacturer's mark was a bit too far forward. I adjusted myself back 20-25mm (I forget which) on the demo bindings and was happier there. Read up on the mount point as these look to be new-and-unmounted, so you'd get the chance to choose where they're mounted.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-Po...260823?hash=item2ace269297:g:DdIAAOSwT8FdAvPu
Great deal without a doubt., Again though, I'd be a little worried about overpowering that. Just from reviews it reads as light and lively, which as a heavier skier usually translates to noodle-like under pressure and at speed.

For $30 though, renting would cost less to find out!
 
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