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Question Weatherzone forums, are they dead?

Discussion in 'Weather' started by Richard, Jun 9, 2019.

  1. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    Usually I see a bit of referral traffic from Weatherzone forums this time of year, but no. So I went and had a browse around and the activity seemed like it had dropped off a cliff.

    Are they almost dead?

    Any weatherzone forum regulars know what's happening over there?
     
  2. Jellybeans

    Jellybeans Walking on a dream Ski Pass: Gold

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    Pretty much.

    I was there for a little bit. Activity seems to have slowly declined.
     
  3. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    what is the alternative these days??
     
  4. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Same applies for me.
    Am WZ subscriber etc but rarely venture into the forums.
    More so because my internet social time is spent on these pages and can cover all my interests i.e wx, surf, ski, NRL, djotd.
     
  5. Jellybeans

    Jellybeans Walking on a dream Ski Pass: Gold

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    Here.
    Facebook, Twitter, etc.

    To be fair, they still have a stable base of users.
     
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  6. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    The WZ forum people hated weather.
    Pessimistic bunch.
     
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    POW_hungry Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Demographic seemed super old.
    Tall poppies everywhere in there when I used to poke my head in years ago... Bad culture.
    + forum platform seem old & tired. Seemed to match the demo, IMO.
     
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  9. soda

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    Are forums in general dying? At times they can be pretty tough spaces these days. Without moderation regulars can burn out others.
     
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  10. Jellybeans

    Jellybeans Walking on a dream Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes.
    Forums tend to attract tall poppies in general.
    But I think this forum has got the balance right with good moderation.
    It's why I stick around, along with the quality discussion and the strong sense of community.

    And also it has spaces for people to be tall poppies, i.e the Bear Pit, CV, etc.
    So the rubbish goes in there, rather than the more serious weather and snow threads.

    Re: WZ
    There are some interesting guys there who work for the BOM. Some of them make their own charts, etc. The rest are just on about arguing about ENSO, or where a reading has been taken. It's pretty negative on the whole.
    I've been in quite a few forums and that one is not great.
     
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  11. Trail Blazer

    Trail Blazer Part of the Furniture

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    If Blair Trewin posted in here we would have the best of both worlds. Honestly even in a storm outbreak or heatwave there’s more going on in here (and a greater number of informed posters - I’m not one of them)
     
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  12. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    Dude.
    Is this a humblebrag, or a Dorothy Dixer?
     
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  13. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    I make my own charts.

    ENSO is a fad.
     
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  14. Jellybeans

    Jellybeans Walking on a dream Ski Pass: Gold

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    Like weather charts? Care to show?
     
  15. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    @Jellybeans to be fair, this one is reanalysis (NCEP/NCAR, so coarse), but it's all I've got handy rn:


    Reanalysis/forecasts, can do whatever. Don't do it routinely as such, but I do consider it sometimes... The plotting tools are all good to go, it's just a matter of automating the model ingestion (which is already done for reanalysis actually, but that's not of interest to most people ha).
     
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  16. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    WZ were also very early on the net around the same time as us. We had a comfortable contra on data syndication for fifteen plus years. Ian and I got to know the founder pretty well. They put in forums after seeing how well they worked for us. They used the same platform (UBB).

    But.. Ubb was abandoned by the developers and we moved to XF which is now about five years ago. WZ did not migrate and under Fairfax the WZ forums have had no love. Even so the last time I looked it seemed to still be relatively active. Now it appears dead.

    My curiosity is; where has the audience gone? WZ forums were huge there for a time and it can't be that people suddenly stopped talking about the weather. So where did they go? Did it just fragment into FB groups or has another social service absorbed it? If they gone somewhere else, is the new place any good and what's the likelihood of it muscling in on our snow forecasting turf?

    This is my thought train.

    (only the paranoid survive, right!)
     
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  17. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    FB groups are the pits.
     
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  18. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    Well yes, they are. And I'm pleased you feel that way.. but my reality is that 2B people are still on FB ecosystem, be it FB, Messenger or Insta and it directly effects the health of niche communities like this.

    They are being quite successful in hoovering up what were once thriving communities on different platforms. I see FB's push from Pages to Groups as a very conscious decision to muscle in on 'real' communities like this - they want what we got.
     
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  19. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I remember geocities and them .alt boards - long journey

    ... thinking back on that - what FB loses in its embrace of the moment is the archival aspect of it - which in higher value content is an important part of it.
     
  20. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes FB and reddit etc have rapid entropy.
     
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  21. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hell, we’ve even got (the somewhat neglected) wikiski
     
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  22. Red_switch

    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    I admin a fairly large fb group.

    It always strikes .e that the complaints we get "all I see are sale posts", "where is post xxxxx?", "has my post been deleted?" could all easily be solved if we shifted to a "proper" forum platform.
     
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  23. Rat trap bindings

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    I think the way Ski.com.au forums, are the heart of the site, IMHO. And the way they are structured particularly the weather, is easy to follow with the observations and predictions tags, enabling whatever the interest to be quickly followed for updates. So it’s not just the content which is great, it’s our world of being smashed with notifications etc. etc. for FB gives us little time to get to the content you want. Your site enables that. I love it.
     
  24. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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  26. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    ta, that's pretty much what I suspected.
     
  27. Majikthise

    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    For an example blackheathwx runs at least two FB groups. They are more broadcast channels than discussion, but lots of wz folk are in there posting obs.
    On twitter you can choose what level of angst you want to expose yourself to...in general I think how Andrew Miskelly has used twitter has shaped a lot of how oz weather and climate is discussed.
     
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    davidg Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well I ended up here. The Weatherzone forums used to be very good but are made up mostly of older ladies and gents (even older than ski.com.au :eek:!) and a large cohort of posters in NSW left and started their own forum partly (mostly) due to the ban on discussing climate change. I know that the topic was banned here for some time but for a weather forum it seems a little crazy to ban the topic entirely. The rest of the drop off is almost certainly due to the usual suspects (FB, Twitter, ski.com.au :p).There are still a solid core of regular posters and I still lurk there once or twice a week but rarely post.
     
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    POW_hungry Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep. It's broadcasting that allows to take note and move on.
    Current WX/conditions etc are always in flux, so broadcasts are only relevant for a few days (similar to how we treat imagery on Instagram), it's bite sized and remains current for an immediate timeframe - Twitter is perfect for that.

    Although I think climate is still separate as it's so complex and detailed. It's more akin to a photography project than an Instagram post, for want of an example.
     
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  30. Trail Blazer

    Trail Blazer Part of the Furniture

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    This is a pretty good summary. The SE QLD/NE NSW forum still perks up when there’s something worth talking about like a rain event, though Higgins and others have probably taken the less educated away.

    The one area that still seems busy is the tropical forum(s), but obviously only during the wet season (for that reason probably minimal crossover with this place).

    VIC/SA etc have been dead for years
     
  31. Richard

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    What's this called do you know?
     
  32. Trail Blazer

    Trail Blazer Part of the Furniture

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    weatherforums.net I believe
     
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    davidg Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep thats the one. I probably should login and see whats going on. There used to be plenty of good Central Tableands obs from the regular posters on there, ostensibly the main reason I got interested in weather forecasting and weather foruming in general.
     
  34. Richard

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    Not much competition there methinks.
     
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    davidg Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Knowing the admin and most of the regulars on there through Weatherzone I very much doubt they are trying to compete with anyone. Quite the opposite is probably true in fact!

    Looks like its ticking along nicely though, a lot of the posters are quite knowledgeable. The CT's and NSW highlands are of particular interest to me and it looks like it serves its stated purpose pretty well.
     
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  37. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    ta.

    That's what I been expecting to find, I figured the WZ regulars must have found a new home.
     
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  38. Rush

    Rush Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I started some awesome climate change discsussions on Weatherzone in the past. People lost their minds.

    Which correlates with other people's observations that it was a predominantly older user group.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    The Black Saturday thread was perhaps the highest user participation, most on point thread i saw in the WZ forums.
     
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    davidg Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    For sure, but even still to ban all discussion outright seems ridiculous on what is a dedicated weather forum.
     
  41. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not when you consider that weather is not the same as climate.
     
  42. Rush

    Rush Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    LOL - when the climate changes what happens to the weather?
     
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    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    How can you presume to tell the difference in a single lifetime? LOLLOLLOL
     
  44. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Simples: It’s called relative variance - diversion of current values by more than 2 standard deviations from the mean..... (and that’s a statistical statement, not a political one)


    Cf: https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_17/





    End of argument. (Apologies mods if this is not the place - delete if so)
     
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  45. Trail Blazer

    Trail Blazer Part of the Furniture

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    It was sort of like arguing with anti-vaxxers online. They're idiots but the mere existence of the back and forth took the fun out of it for everyone else. Good decision IMO
     
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