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What does Jindabyne really need ? .... your wish list

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by Me+3, Aug 19, 2020.

  1. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Listened to a presentation re the Jindabyne Special Activation Precinct earlier this week. Couple of things:
    • definitely no international airport at Jindy
    • there will be a "bypass" but they call it something else. Goes from near the tip, on the Jindy side of Sport and Rec and comes out half way between SMGS and Snowline.
    • they expect there to be a viable ski seasons for the next 20 years. Beyond that,..... even more marginal than now.
    Can't remember what else there was as I had other stuff happening at the same time as I was watching it.
     
  2. fenrir

    fenrir One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    That bypass sounds like a recipie for a total cluster**** without significant work building an interchange near the alpine way turnoff
     
  3. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Where is this presentation?...Is it accessible online?
     
  4. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Unfortunately not at the moment. but they are discussing making it available.

    There will be a more complete plan released in March.
     
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  5. climberman

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    Is the presentation linked somewhere? I’d be interested to view if I can.

    read the thread cm
     
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  6. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    It is called a southern connector road. I think they are planning major road works and an interchange. It Is currently a mess, a little improved by the new 2 lane stuff, so hopefully this does really improve things, eventually.
     
  7. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    ROFL If it becomes available I will share.
     
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  8. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    You can see the easement in six viewer.
     
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  9. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Flyover on the Barry Way? :rolleyes:
     
  10. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    probably not but it is relatively out of town where it crosses
     
  11. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    ...but, Perisher traffic.
     
  12. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    ...originates in Jindabyne, not Berridale. Bypassing the source of the traffic is a futile exercise.
     
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  13. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think the purpose is to make Jindy town centre a pedestrian precinct.

    Oh and to make some of the streets on to the main road less dangerous. One was described as a death trap in the presentation.
     
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  14. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Kosciusko road isn't a issue since the dual lanes... It's fine. The issue is further up the road now.
    There isn't a hope in hell they'll build a "bypass" for.... Minimal traffic.
     
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  15. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Which one?
     
  16. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'd guess another big lurvely roundabout. From what I hear it's more about rerouting traffic leaving town than an actual bypass to allow lake/kosci rd/shops to all be better linked into a pedestrian friendly town centre connected to lake, therefore needs to be as accessible as possible to people heading out of town which would make Barry Way a key feeder.

    I'd guess more development between SMGS and Snowline of some kind feeding off kosci Rd making it even more of a slow crawl out of town at peak times if it remains the main traffic conduit.
     
  17. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    This is all massively overcooked IMO..
    Jindabyne isn't Queenstown... Or Wanaka even.
     
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  18. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    This from what I hear. Little to do with bypass traffic, rather making a better town centre for a tourist town.
     
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  19. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe from Jindy North Shore @dawooduck to the southern shore!

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    F off we are full....

    Jindy town really needs to be a lot more pedestrian connected between shops and lake.
     
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  21. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    LOL
     
  22. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    They could always do this. ;)

    [​IMG]
     
  23. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver A Local

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    & the jail.
     
  24. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Intersection of Munyang st and Kosciusko rd
     
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  25. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, it's a bruiser.
     
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  26. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes and yes
     
  27. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    1 suggestion is a pedestrian bike bridge across the narrow bit
     
  28. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    That is the plan
     
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  29. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Included in my submission :thumbs:
     
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  30. robbo mcs

    robbo mcs One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I live on the lake side of kozzy rd, and cross the road all the time to go to the shops etc. I can’t say I have ever found it a problem crossing the road. It’s not like it is the hume highway, and it is a 60kmh zone. Maybe dropping the speed limit to 40kmh through town might be an option. The intersections at Munyang st / Banjo patterson crescent probably do need some improvement
     
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  31. oldgeezer

    oldgeezer One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Queenstown and Wanaka as a pair are a Kiwi version of Banff and Jasper. Jindabyne and Adaminaby as a pair are mere country towns which have a different feel which is or was part of their unique charm.
     
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  32. Nidecker

    Nidecker One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Probably be nice to just tunnel the main road I reckon. And with all the kit lying around waiting for Snowy 2 how hard could that be??

    edit: People say I'm an ideas man :)
     
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  33. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Dreamin’
     
  34. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bring in some Japanese engineers, they do that work really well.
     
  35. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I like it, being the unfit b*stard that I am the trail out to Mill Creek usually kills me before even get to the top.
     
  36. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    How many days per year would the bridge be on windhold? Even riding across the dam wall is dodgy at times. I know someone who got blown over the barrier onto the road.
     
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  37. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No! Would be a nightmare waiting to happen.

    We actually have more than adequate tunnel expertise.
     
  38. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Better than being blown lakeside down the dam rock wall....... assuming a semi is not on the road at the time.
     
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  39. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wind usually from the other direction :) That’s why they put those barriers and dismount signs in a few years back.
     
  40. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sounds complicated, better build a new bridge with no cars!
     
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  41. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Likewise.
    I walk over to nuggets from the van park a bit and all..
    With the exception of 4pm on a sat and sun ...Its pretty easy ..

    * I do laugh at these grandiose ideas.
    For the next 3 months (after school hols) until Christmas Jindy will be dead quiet .... like tumbleweeds
    And likewise Feb, March, April (with exception of Easter) May .
     
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    Making the town more pedestrian friendly is an excellent idea. Even with this ambition though, I can't see the tens to hundreds of millions that the bypass would likely cost being worthwhile. You could spend half of that on improving walkability throughout the town and end up with a nicer result, and have money to spare on transport improvements. A bypass won't make any of the alternatives of driving private cars up the mountain any more viable, so the traffic won't be any better.
     
  43. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Jindabyne..
    Where it took a serious assault to light one footpath.
     
  44. Chookfooter

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    Nothing is going to happen unless it suits Bruce. End of story.
     
  45. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    And news that will shock nobody
    The Canberra to Eden railway study has been released.... and its not viable.
     
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    How a about a big kick arse marina. Big enough for the super yachts to pull in.

    Oh! fck I've got it , why didn't anyone think of this sooner. A casino. Problem solved.
     
  47. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    What was the corridor?
     
  48. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm finding the link to the pdf (non facebook)
    But this is the summary
    The Canberra to Port of Eden Rail Feasibility Study has found that the project is not viable.
    The economic assessment of the project options returns a BCR of 0.0 (discounted at 7% real). This means there would be little if any, return on investment. Project benefits are derived primarily from the freight and passenger demands that can be attracted to the corridor and directed to the Port of Eden. Even on the most optimistic demand assumptions with significant freight diverted from other NSW ports the demand projections for the full project, from Canberra Airport to Port of Eden, only generate benefits of $225.8m over the life of the project, compared against a cost to achieve this benefit of $5,447.6m (both in present value terms, discounted at 7% real). This includes the upfront and ongoing costs of providing the necessary rail infrastructure and the services and port facilities required to deliver and manage this freight through the Port of Eden.
    The proposed railway is over 300 kilometres long and passes through challenging terrain as well as areas of significant environmental value including major National Parks. These constraints mean that the project design involves major tunnels and bridges/viaducts, particularly on the section from Bombala down to Port of Eden, and the Canberra Airport connection, that contribute significantly to the estimated capital cost of $6.3b to deliver the railway (representing the Full Project P50 case; the P90 Case would be significantly higher), plus any allowance to expand existing port operations. Even if freight demand was doubled from the most optimistic scenario, project costs would need to be reduced or offset by 80 per cent or greater before any of the considered project options could deliver a BCR approaching 1.0.
     
  49. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    LOL ROFL
     
  50. Donzah

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    Yup.
    Build a 6 billion dollar line (at today's prices) to a port that doesn't handle freight and would ferry around 250 passengers a day...
    But there were many many people that thought it was a good idea.