What to do with the Leichardt T-Bar

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Perisher has previously re-used equipment in other sections of the resort (IE relocation of a Blue Calf T Bar to Brumby). Now that we are getting a new chair for Leichardt, what is to become of the T-Bar?

As a Guthega resident, I here many saying that it should be returned to the Blue Calf but I feel that this is not really that warranted. What I would suggest is it to link from the bottom of the Pleasant Valley Quad to the top of the Interceptor chair. There's quite a few handy runs through the trees there but more importantly it could be used to access back to Perisher from Blue Cow when the Pleasant Valley Quad is on wind hold.
 

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Oh, my pet topic! I would vote 3 million times for it to form a duplex with the Blue calf t bar - the lines there can be phenomenal, and it would be in Perisher’s interest as it might increase patronage at the lovely Burning Log :D. I like the idea above about a lift from Pleasant VAlley back to Interceptor but perhaps this should be a chair (old Mt P triple, anyone?).
 
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Well there used to be a tow from Guthega heading up to the east ridge of Mt Tate.

Reinstating a lift there would reopen a huge amount of terrain.

Unfortunately that's outside the lease and would never be approved! Even if some of the old towers are still there.

I did notice reading last night that there was a proposed lift up the alignment that is known the pleasant view trail too. Takes you straight to the Blue Cow terminal
 

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Unfortunately that's outside the lease and would never be approved! Even if some of the old towers are still there.

I did notice reading last night that there was a proposed lift up the alignment that is known the pleasant view trail too. Takes you straight to the Blue Cow terminal
Dreaming has a special place in these forums :)
 

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Unfortunately that's outside the lease and would never be approved! Even if some of the old towers are still there.

I did notice reading last night that there was a proposed lift up the alignment that is known the pleasant view trail too. Takes you straight to the Blue Cow terminal
‘Towers’ seems to me to be overstating it! LOL
 

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Unfortunately that's outside the lease and would never be approved! Even if some of the old towers are still there.
Well shift the boundaries!
Before you say that bureaucrats are automatons and that sort of thinking is outside their programming or the greenies would kick up such a stink that it would be "politically impossible", there is a precedent.

A few years ago Falls Creek RMB exchanged a chunk of snowgum woodland they were never going to use for a slightly smaller bit of land near Rocky Valley Lake that they coveted. The process was relatively smooth and easy and the enviromentals didn't object once it was pointed out to them that a bit of untouched wilderness would be added to the park in return for a bit of degraded land being excised from it.

So at Falls Creek, they dared to do it and everyone was happy with the result.

* Well I'm pretty confident I've got that right, but if that's not quite correct, Currawong will know the precise details.
 

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Well shift the boundaries!
Before you say that bureaucrats are automatons and that sort of thinking is outside their programming or the greenies would kick up such a stink that it would be "politically impossible", there is a precedent.

A few years ago Falls Creek RMB exchanged a chunk of snowgum woodland they were never going to use for a slightly smaller bit of land near Rocky Valley Lake that they coveted. The process was relatively smooth and easy and the enviromentals didn't object once it was pointed out to them that a bit of untouched wilderness would be added to the park in return for a bit of degraded land being excised from it.

So at Falls Creek, they dared to do it and everyone was happy with the result.

* Well I'm pretty confident I've got that right, but if that's not quite correct, Currawong will know the precise details.
It’s a looong stretch to say that the area of Tate that used to have a rope tow is in any way ‘degraded’. Don’t get me wrong, it’d be lovely skiing, but perhaps better to focus energy on winnable battles.
 
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Biggest issue with the drag lifts is there would need be more clearing required than a chair.
Tho the idea to back up the chairs on wind hold days is sound.
Have skinned out of Blue Cow to Interceptor many times , recent as last Saturday arvo, rather than take the tube.
The Calf cries out for it at times but it only really packs out for a couple of hours middle of the weekends when its a place to avoid same as Freedom and Ridge chairs. IMO.
 
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Would they sell it to Charlottes to replace the cable that broke on Guthrie's last week.

Aren't Charlotte's building a new t Bar this summer? Wouldn't be surprised if they bought the Leichhardt tbar.

I'd love to see the tbar repurposed but would Vail really repurpose an old t Bar in one of their own resorts?
 

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Mt Buller has a great record of flogging their old lifts to other resorts, they ended up in all three Australian ski states as well as New Zealand. Sadly other resorts have almost always trashed their unwanted lifts and haven't tied to sell them elsewhere.

At least seven old ski lifts from Mt Buller were relocated to other Australian mountains
  • Ben Lomond bought several lifts including the Bourke St rope tow, both summit Pomas and the Bourke St double chairlift.
  • The original 1953 Bull Run nutcracker lift still operates on Mt St Bernard (near Mt Hotham). It is one of the oldest ski lifts still operating in the world.
  • Guthega bought a T-bar from Orange Lifts in the mid 1970's, (possibly the Bourke St T-bar, as both had arch type frames).
  • More recently, the Helicopter / ABOM triple chair was sold to Selwyn Snowfields.
  • An unwanted carpet went to New Zealand. (I forget exactly where.)
 

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Mt Buller has a great record of flogging their old lifts to other resorts, they ended up in all three Australian ski states as well as New Zealand. Sadly other resorts have almost always trashed their unwanted lifts and haven't tied to sell them elsewhere.

At least seven old ski lifts from Mt Buller were relocated to other Australian mountains
  • Ben Lomond bought several lifts including the Bourke St rope tow, both summit Pomas and the Bourke St double chairlift.
  • The original 1953 Bull Run nutcracker lift still operates on Mt St Bernard (near Mt Hotham). It is one of the oldest ski lifts still operating in the world.
  • Guthega bought a T-bar from Orange Lifts in the mid 1970's, (possibly the Bourke St T-bar, as both had arch type frames).
  • More recently, the Helicopter / ABOM triple chair was sold to Selwyn Snowfields.
  • An unwanted carpet went to New Zealand. (I forget exactly where.)
Also the Painted Run T-bar at Mt Baw Baw is ex Buller. It's nicknamed Faulty Towers!
 
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Well shift the boundaries!
Before you say that bureaucrats are automatons and that sort of thinking is outside their programming or the greenies would kick up such a stink that it would be "politically impossible", there is a precedent.

A few years ago Falls Creek RMB exchanged a chunk of snowgum woodland they were never going to use for a slightly smaller bit of land near Rocky Valley Lake that they coveted. The process was relatively smooth and easy and the enviromentals didn't object once it was pointed out to them that a bit of untouched wilderness would be added to the park in return for a bit of degraded land being excised from it.

So at Falls Creek, they dared to do it and everyone was happy with the result.

* Well I'm pretty confident I've got that right, but if that's not quite correct, Currawong will know the precise details.
This has happened in NZ, A bit of forest on Banks Peninsula was exchanged for some land near porters for ski development. never say never!
 
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Mt Buller has a great record of flogging their old lifts to other resorts, they ended up in all three Australian ski states as well as New Zealand. Sadly other resorts have almost always trashed their unwanted lifts and haven't tied to sell them elsewhere.

At least seven old ski lifts from Mt Buller were relocated to other Australian mountains
  • Ben Lomond bought several lifts including the Bourke St rope tow, both summit Pomas and the Bourke St double chairlift.
  • The original 1953 Bull Run nutcracker lift still operates on Mt St Bernard (near Mt Hotham). It is one of the oldest ski lifts still operating in the world.
  • Guthega bought a T-bar from Orange Lifts in the mid 1970's, (possibly the Bourke St T-bar, as both had arch type frames).
  • More recently, the Helicopter / ABOM triple chair was sold to Selwyn Snowfields.
  • An unwanted carpet went to New Zealand. (I forget exactly where.)
I do believe that the triple at Mt Dobson was Ex buller too?
 

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I do believe that the triple at Mt Dobson was Ex buller too?
I hadn't heard that, but on a barely maintained Wikipedia page I found this:

Mt Dobson triple chair lift (originally at Perisher in Australia)

But since it's a rather rough page without many contributors, I wouldn't credit it as unquestionable truth,
 

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Not specific to Leichardt but I’ve heard a few rumors now from reputable people that the DA is being prepared now to put the Mt P six pack in over the 2019/2020 summer, and the Mt P triple will get a refurb and be replacing Telemark.

I’m told the DA will be in well before end of year, keen to see if it materializes or not.
 

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Not specific to Leichardt but I’ve heard a few rumors now from reputable people that the DA is being prepared now to put the Mt P six pack in over the 2019/2020 summer, and the Mt P triple will get a refurb and be replacing Telemark.

I’m told the DA will be in well before end of year, keen to see if it materializes or not.
 
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I've hear the six pack thing from Perisher. They were briefing it to the ski lodges in June. Moving the triple to Telemark is interesting. I didn't think they would put a chair in noting that it doesn't really open that much terrain for skiiing.
Mind you it does work if in the longer term they plan on upgrading the Pretty Valley Chair (and maybe smoothing out the steepness at the start of the run). I'm sure ski school would like to move as many lessons there as progression. Its just too slow at the moment and too challenging for the instructors managing kids.

Would avoid Goats Gully congestion and challenges (I got hit twice on six runs on Wenthworth the other day)
 

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I've hear the six pack thing from Perisher. They were briefing it to the ski lodges in June. Moving the triple to Telemark is interesting. I didn't think they would put a chair in noting that it doesn't really open that much terrain for skiiing.
Mind you it does work if in the longer term they plan on upgrading the Pretty Valley Chair (and maybe smoothing out the steepness at the start of the run). I'm sure ski school would like to move as many lessons there as progression. Its just too slow at the moment and too challenging for the instructors managing kids.

Would avoid Goats Gully congestion and challenges (I got hit twice on six runs on Wenthworth the other day)
If the triple goes to Telemark..It should go further towards piper . With some realignment of the bridge and oversnow.
 

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Moving the triple to Telemark is interesting. I didn't think they would put a chair in noting that it doesn't really open that much terrain for skiiing.

Makes the return easier from Interceptor - right now it’s either Telemark T which is a mess, or Pretty Valley and a bunch of flat and uphill to get through mid station which is not high end beginner / low end intermediate friendly. There was a substantial amount of rock and tree removal in Interceptor before this season to make it more “low intermediate” friendly, and I’ve got it on good authority there’s going to be a lot more tree removal this coming summer to open it up to more people. RIP Interceptor tight tree skiing...
 

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Makes the return easier from Interceptor - right now it’s either Telemark T which is a mess, or Pretty Valley and a bunch of flat and uphill to get through mid station which is not high end beginner / low end intermediate friendly. There was a substantial amount of rock and tree removal in Interceptor before this season to make it more “low intermediate” friendly, and I’ve got it on good authority there’s going to be a lot more tree removal this coming summer to open it up to more people. RIP Interceptor tight tree skiing...
How dumb would that be??? Those Interceptor trees are a real highlight, especially in bad weather.
BTW does anyone else reckon they've taken out some trees skiers right down in Eyre Bowl. I'm sure there were a lot more trees lining the right side of the flat section 3/4 of the way down.
 

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Aren't Charlotte's building a new t Bar this summer? Wouldn't be surprised if they bought the Leichhardt tbar.

I'd love to see the tbar repurposed but would Vail really repurpose an old t Bar in one of their own resorts?

Sounds a bit like a bureaucrat to me , repurposed indeed.
 

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Makes the return easier from Interceptor - right now it’s either Telemark T which is a mess, or Pretty Valley and a bunch of flat and uphill to get through mid station which is not high end beginner / low end intermediate friendly. There was a substantial amount of rock and tree removal in Interceptor before this season to make it more “low intermediate” friendly, and I’ve got it on good authority there’s going to be a lot more tree removal this coming summer to open it up to more people. RIP Interceptor tight tree skiing...

This is quite simply a no , never. It would destroy a great transitional area that has a variety of runs at various grades from beginner to at least higher intermediate all within easy reach for family groups. The tight runs through the trees with the dive behind the lodges is fantastic on fresh days and would be close to sacrilege if it was destroyed. It might even be the last straw for me and I would have to consider a return to Hotham/Falls in future seasons.
 

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Lots of work has already been done clearing rocks and trees before this season. It is most noticeable in interceptor, which is dramatically different coming down and around to mid station, but also thinned out in the tighter trees. Also lots of work in sun valley, burnum burnum, eyre and yarandoo.
 

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Lots of work has already been done clearing rocks and trees before this season. It is most noticeable in interceptor, which is dramatically different coming down and around to mid station, but also thinned out in the tighter trees. Also lots of work in sun valley, burnum burnum, eyre and yarandoo.
Yeah I've noticed interceptor as well.
I think brumby may have also got a treatment
 

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Lots of work has already been done clearing rocks and trees before this season. It is most noticeable in interceptor, which is dramatically different coming down and around to mid station, but also thinned out in the tighter trees. Also lots of work in sun valley, burnum burnum, eyre and yarandoo.
Yeah I've noticed interceptor as well.
I think brumby may have also got a treatment
Sanitising the joint.
Do not like.
If you want to ski a slope clear and static like fv , ski fv or pretty v or pleasant v or "Happy"v .
Why tf manicure the character from the rest of the place that plenty more relish. ?
Whats going to be left. ?
SOme folk like the tree lines , steeps ( ? ) bit of degree of difficulty.
It's what the whole gig is about.
In my book anyways.
Seriously. ?
 

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Sanitising the joint.
Do not like.
If you want to ski a slope clear and static like fv , ski fv or pretty v or pleasant v or "Happy"v .
Why tf manicure the character from the rest of the place that plenty more relish. ?
Whats going to be left. ?
SOme folk like the tree lines , steeps ( ? ) bit of degree of difficulty.
It's what the whole gig is about.
In my book anyways.
Seriously. ?
Trees grow though.
Most of the tree removal has been on the obvious groomers. Or just to edges.
 

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Makes the return easier from Interceptor - right now it’s either Telemark T which is a mess, or Pretty Valley and a bunch of flat and uphill to get through mid station which is not high end beginner / low end intermediate friendly.
A few seconds of uphill from Pretty Valley over to Happy Valley is beginner and low intermediate friendly, with the option of continuing around to Leichhardt for the more seasoned.
 

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Trees grow though.
Most of the tree removal has been on the obvious groomers. Or just to edges.
I'm losing track of who / what level skier they are trying to service.
You know.... when a tidy black diamond sign actually meant something to the punter respectfully working their way onto the hill.
Or is it duty of care new world choking the spirit from the deal?
Maybe I'm getting olde , don't answer.
But man, the whole vibe is going backwards at times.
IMO.
 
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