What to do with the Leichardt T-Bar

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  1. Skiing Gus

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    Perisher has previously re-used equipment in other sections of the resort (IE relocation of a Blue Calf T Bar to Brumby). Now that we are getting a new chair for Leichardt, what is to become of the T-Bar?

    As a Guthega resident, I here many saying that it should be returned to the Blue Calf but I feel that this is not really that warranted. What I would suggest is it to link from the bottom of the Pleasant Valley Quad to the top of the Interceptor chair. There's quite a few handy runs through the trees there but more importantly it could be used to access back to Perisher from Blue Cow when the Pleasant Valley Quad is on wind hold.
     
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    Oh, my pet topic! I would vote 3 million times for it to form a duplex with the Blue calf t bar - the lines there can be phenomenal, and it would be in Perisher’s interest as it might increase patronage at the lovely Burning Log :D. I like the idea above about a lift from Pleasant VAlley back to Interceptor but perhaps this should be a chair (old Mt P triple, anyone?).
     
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  3. Bogong

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    Well there used to be a tow from Guthega heading up to the east ridge of Mt Tate.

    Reinstating a lift there would reopen a huge amount of terrain.
     
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  4. Skiing Gus

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    Unfortunately that's outside the lease and would never be approved! Even if some of the old towers are still there.

    I did notice reading last night that there was a proposed lift up the alignment that is known the pleasant view trail too. Takes you straight to the Blue Cow terminal
     
  5. currawong

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    Dreaming has a special place in these forums :)
     
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  6. climberman

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    ‘Towers’ seems to me to be overstating it! LOL
     
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  7. Bogong

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    Well shift the boundaries!
    Before you say that bureaucrats are automatons and that sort of thinking is outside their programming or the greenies would kick up such a stink that it would be "politically impossible", there is a precedent.

    A few years ago Falls Creek RMB exchanged a chunk of snowgum woodland they were never going to use for a slightly smaller bit of land near Rocky Valley Lake that they coveted. The process was relatively smooth and easy and the enviromentals didn't object once it was pointed out to them that a bit of untouched wilderness would be added to the park in return for a bit of degraded land being excised from it.

    So at Falls Creek, they dared to do it and everyone was happy with the result.

    * Well I'm pretty confident I've got that right, but if that's not quite correct, Currawong will know the precise details.
     
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  8. nfip

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    Nooooooo !!!
     
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  9. climberman

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    It’s a looong stretch to say that the area of Tate that used to have a rope tow is in any way ‘degraded’. Don’t get me wrong, it’d be lovely skiing, but perhaps better to focus energy on winnable battles.
     
  10. telecrag

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    I say build a 15 storey carpark, and open up the entire mainrange to lifting!

    If you want wilderness, go to Antarctica!
     
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  11. telecrag

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    As to the OP, sell it to Thredbo, they need a good beginner T!
     
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  12. nfip

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    Biggest issue with the drag lifts is there would need be more clearing required than a chair.
    Tho the idea to back up the chairs on wind hold days is sound.
    Have skinned out of Blue Cow to Interceptor many times , recent as last Saturday arvo, rather than take the tube.
    The Calf cries out for it at times but it only really packs out for a couple of hours middle of the weekends when its a place to avoid same as Freedom and Ridge chairs. IMO.
     
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    Yep.
    Extend the tube thru to Burning Log terminal.
     
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    Leave the T there and put the 4 in at Happy Valley.

    Move the Happy Valley T to Burning Log to create a Duplex there.
     
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    A quad up Happy Valley would probably be on wind hold a lot of the time
     
  16. WaitAwhile

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    Would they sell it to Charlottes to replace the cable that broke on Guthrie's last week.
     
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  17. Marty_McSly

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    Use the Leichhardt T to duplicate HV T. Simples.
     
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    not a bad idea.
    has the space at the side.
    snow making to build the tracks .
    helps ease the load from ( reduced) Leichardt choke and gets you off Mt P back to fv or over to North P / BCow
     
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    Unload may be a bit cute...but loading easy
    good idea
     
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    Naughty!
     
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  21. asammut_au

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    Aren't Charlotte's building a new t Bar this summer? Wouldn't be surprised if they bought the Leichhardt tbar.

    I'd love to see the tbar repurposed but would Vail really repurpose an old t Bar in one of their own resorts?
     
  22. Bogong

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    Mt Buller has a great record of flogging their old lifts to other resorts, they ended up in all three Australian ski states as well as New Zealand. Sadly other resorts have almost always trashed their unwanted lifts and haven't tied to sell them elsewhere.

    At least seven old ski lifts from Mt Buller were relocated to other Australian mountains
    • Ben Lomond bought several lifts including the Bourke St rope tow, both summit Pomas and the Bourke St double chairlift.
    • The original 1953 Bull Run nutcracker lift still operates on Mt St Bernard (near Mt Hotham). It is one of the oldest ski lifts still operating in the world.
    • Guthega bought a T-bar from Orange Lifts in the mid 1970's, (possibly the Bourke St T-bar, as both had arch type frames).
    • More recently, the Helicopter / ABOM triple chair was sold to Selwyn Snowfields.
    • An unwanted carpet went to New Zealand. (I forget exactly where.)
     
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  23. Onlybackscratchers

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    Also the Painted Run T-bar at Mt Baw Baw is ex Buller. It's nicknamed Faulty Towers!
     
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  24. Telemark Phat

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    Off topic, I bet they're going to call the new chair the Epic Quad, just like they did with the Bondage Chair over at Guthega.
     
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  25. Donzah

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    It will be EPIC
     
  26. Bogong

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    Thanks for that info. You may know I maintain a list of ski lifts, so if you or anyone else have a source for that or knows which Buller lift it was, I'd be very grateful.
     
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  27. Mr. Mook

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    Use the T at Guthega.
    put the new six pack on Mt P
    use the Mt P Triple for the Pleasant valley to Interceptor link.
    That way minimal ground work is required during construction & use
     
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  28. Draizuh

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    This has happened in NZ, A bit of forest on Banks Peninsula was exchanged for some land near porters for ski development. never say never!
     
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  29. Draizuh

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    I do believe that the triple at Mt Dobson was Ex buller too?
     
  30. Tanuki

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    Same as the Towie accom at Buller.
     
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    I tnink spares from Buller had been keeping eagle at falls going too
     
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    And a certain ski lodge at falls
     
  33. Bogong

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    I hadn't heard that, but on a barely maintained Wikipedia page I found this:

    Mt Dobson triple chair lift (originally at Perisher in Australia)

    But since it's a rather rough page without many contributors, I wouldn't credit it as unquestionable truth,
     
  34. skifree

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    Without looking at wind data I’m disagreeing with you.
     
  35. ngdtrh

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    Not specific to Leichardt but I’ve heard a few rumors now from reputable people that the DA is being prepared now to put the Mt P six pack in over the 2019/2020 summer, and the Mt P triple will get a refurb and be replacing Telemark.

    I’m told the DA will be in well before end of year, keen to see if it materializes or not.
     
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  36. ngdtrh

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    Not specific to Leichardt but I’ve heard a few rumors now from reputable people that the DA is being prepared now to put the Mt P six pack in over the 2019/2020 summer, and the Mt P triple will get a refurb and be replacing Telemark.

    I’m told the DA will be in well before end of year, keen to see if it materializes or not.
     
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  37. Skiing Gus

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    I've hear the six pack thing from Perisher. They were briefing it to the ski lodges in June. Moving the triple to Telemark is interesting. I didn't think they would put a chair in noting that it doesn't really open that much terrain for skiiing.
    Mind you it does work if in the longer term they plan on upgrading the Pretty Valley Chair (and maybe smoothing out the steepness at the start of the run). I'm sure ski school would like to move as many lessons there as progression. Its just too slow at the moment and too challenging for the instructors managing kids.

    Would avoid Goats Gully congestion and challenges (I got hit twice on six runs on Wenthworth the other day)
     
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    If the triple goes to Telemark..It should go further towards piper . With some realignment of the bridge and oversnow.
     
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  39. skull

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    the place is flat enough as it is.
     
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  40. ngdtrh

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    Makes the return easier from Interceptor - right now it’s either Telemark T which is a mess, or Pretty Valley and a bunch of flat and uphill to get through mid station which is not high end beginner / low end intermediate friendly. There was a substantial amount of rock and tree removal in Interceptor before this season to make it more “low intermediate” friendly, and I’ve got it on good authority there’s going to be a lot more tree removal this coming summer to open it up to more people. RIP Interceptor tight tree skiing...
     
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    The amount of people that fall of telemark is insane.
    A chair would do it good
     
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    How dumb would that be??? Those Interceptor trees are a real highlight, especially in bad weather.
    BTW does anyone else reckon they've taken out some trees skiers right down in Eyre Bowl. I'm sure there were a lot more trees lining the right side of the flat section 3/4 of the way down.
     
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    Sounds a bit like a bureaucrat to me , repurposed indeed.
     
  44. Kelpieboy

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    This is quite simply a no , never. It would destroy a great transitional area that has a variety of runs at various grades from beginner to at least higher intermediate all within easy reach for family groups. The tight runs through the trees with the dive behind the lodges is fantastic on fresh days and would be close to sacrilege if it was destroyed. It might even be the last straw for me and I would have to consider a return to Hotham/Falls in future seasons.
     
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    Lots of work has already been done clearing rocks and trees before this season. It is most noticeable in interceptor, which is dramatically different coming down and around to mid station, but also thinned out in the tighter trees. Also lots of work in sun valley, burnum burnum, eyre and yarandoo.
     
  46. Donzah

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    Yeah I've noticed interceptor as well.
    I think brumby may have also got a treatment
     
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    Sanitising the joint.
    Do not like.
    If you want to ski a slope clear and static like fv , ski fv or pretty v or pleasant v or "Happy"v .
    Why tf manicure the character from the rest of the place that plenty more relish. ?
    Whats going to be left. ?
    SOme folk like the tree lines , steeps ( ? ) bit of degree of difficulty.
    It's what the whole gig is about.
    In my book anyways.
    Seriously. ?
     
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    Trees grow though.
    Most of the tree removal has been on the obvious groomers. Or just to edges.
     
  49. Marty_McSly

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    A few seconds of uphill from Pretty Valley over to Happy Valley is beginner and low intermediate friendly, with the option of continuing around to Leichhardt for the more seasoned.
     
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    I'm losing track of who / what level skier they are trying to service.
    You know.... when a tidy black diamond sign actually meant something to the punter respectfully working their way onto the hill.
    Or is it duty of care new world choking the spirit from the deal?
    Maybe I'm getting olde , don't answer.
    But man, the whole vibe is going backwards at times.
    IMO.
     
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