1. SPECIAL NOTE TO NEW REGISTRATIONS

    If you recently registered and have not received a confirmation email - please check your 'Spam or Junk' folders. Especially if your email is Hotmail. More help with confirmation issues

    NOTE: This notice may be closed.

    Dismiss Notice
  2. There's more to this forum than meets the eye!

    We have a vibrant community here conversing about all sorts of non-snow topics such as music, sport, politics and technology. Simply register to reveal all our Après topics or continue browsing and reading as a guest.

    NOTE: This notice may be closed.

    Dismiss Notice

What to do with the Leichardt T-Bar

Discussion in 'Perisher' started by Skiing Gus, Sep 5, 2018.

  1. MarcoPOWlo

    MarcoPOWlo Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    29
    Location:
    CentralCoast NSW
  2. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2017
    Messages:
    6,608
    Likes Received:
    10,780
    Pretty cool.
     
  3. IAB

    IAB A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2005
    Messages:
    8,607
    Likes Received:
    7,625
    Location:
    The Shire, Sydney
  4. Kopite

    Kopite One of Us

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2017
    Messages:
    483
    Likes Received:
    591
    Location:
    North Curly
    Notice it's an American chopper. No suitable ones here in Aus?
     
  5. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    29,786
    Likes Received:
    25,307
    Location:
    woonona
    None like that blackhawk
    They are the experts in building lifts. They've built more ski liftsin the usa using helicopters than all the other operators combined. It showed
     
    SMSkier and Bogong like this.
  6. skinavy

    skinavy One of Us

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2001
    Messages:
    1,997
    Likes Received:
    1,351
    Location:
    Canberra, ACT
    Interestingly it means the towers only weigh a max of 8000lb (max weight on the hook for a H60). Thought it would have been more.

    The big thing with it is the training and techniques of the crew, both airborne and ground, to do this. Really we should do more of this kind of construction in Australia, including mobile phone towers, microwave towers, etc. Instead what do we do? Build a really big road for trucks rather a little road for a 4x4.
     
    Snowy Joey, nfip, hipo and 1 other person like this.
  7. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    29,786
    Likes Received:
    25,307
    Location:
    woonona
    I guess thats why they do it in sections ? There were 4 lifts per tower it looks like.
     
  8. skinavy

    skinavy One of Us

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2001
    Messages:
    1,997
    Likes Received:
    1,351
    Location:
    Canberra, ACT
    That makes more sense. Still only puts it at about 14t per tower (took off 200lb per lift for the sling, probably should take off more). Still seems surprisingly light. But given I'm an electrical engineer with an aerospace masters wtf would I know about about building the towers bit.
     
  9. robbo mcs

    robbo mcs One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,090
    Likes Received:
    6,036
    I shared a few lifts once with a guy who was an ex geotechnical engineer for dopplemayr. Very interesting conversations. He told me he has been to virtually every major ski resort in the world, but always in summer;) It was interesting to hear his perspective on planning and construction of towers.
     
  10. MarcoPOWlo

    MarcoPOWlo Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    29
    Location:
    CentralCoast NSW
    Could be getting its first blanket of snow this weekend.
     
  11. Ted Harper

    Ted Harper One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2000
    Messages:
    1,728
    Likes Received:
    3,345
    Location:
    Palm Beach or Smiggins
    I hate to be a negative Nelly but now is just about precisely the worst time for anyone (except the marketing department) to get snow. There is a LOT of outside work going on around the resort, and even it melts in a day or two - as it inevitably does this time of year - it really disrupts things when it snows, along with the inevitable gale force winds.
     
  12. Skiing Gus

    Skiing Gus Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2018
    Messages:
    77
    Likes Received:
    84
    I'm so happy we cracked on with our work parties nice and early this year for the lodge. I don;t think we were alone - I did notice heaps of people at Guthega last weekend! Only some internal stuff to do now!
     
    Ted Harper likes this.
  13. Mr. Mook

    Mr. Mook One of Us

    Joined:
    May 21, 2001
    Messages:
    2,830
    Likes Received:
    472
    Location:
    Macquarie Fields, NSW
    Is it my imagination or is that tower for the Leichardt Chair installed at an angle instead of vertical?
    [​IMG]
     
  14. Seafm

    Seafm Too far from the snow Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2014
    Messages:
    4,271
    Likes Received:
    3,741
    Location:
    Cairns, Queensland
    The second one from the top seems to be at an angle as well. Must be a method to the madness?
     
  15. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2014
    Messages:
    28,812
    Likes Received:
    22,863
    I'm guessing that Herr Doppelmayr and his minions have more of an idea about putting chairlifts together than anyone here.
     
    Bogong likes this.
  16. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2011
    Messages:
    5,747
    Likes Received:
    3,751
    That is so when it falls, it falls backwards and you won't see yourself falling back with it. :)
     
    SMSkier likes this.
  17. robbo mcs

    robbo mcs One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,090
    Likes Received:
    6,036
    It is not unusual for some towers to angled away from vertical. A few on Mt Perisher triple are like that. Overseas I have seen some that are quite dramatically angled, especially close to ridge lines
     
    Ted Harper, skifree and SMSkier like this.
  18. MarcoPOWlo

    MarcoPOWlo Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    29
    Location:
    CentralCoast NSW
    A better angle
     
  19. Xwing

    Xwing One of Us

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2016
    Messages:
    876
    Likes Received:
    1,190
    This - extend it a little...rough photoshop
     
  20. BlueHue

    BlueHue One of Us

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2003
    Messages:
    2,001
    Likes Received:
    532
    Location:
    Sydney
    I've got a slightly different idea to avoid the west face being skied out to quick and to account for its westerly aspect which means at times, depending on the wind direction, a good amount of it will be scoured and make the storm day facials obtained on Mt Ps T-bars seem like a sunny day at the park. Would also open up a nice little pod of terrain further out on Mt Ps south face. You know, those nice steepish little lines and wide open trees that drag you further and further skiers right when going wide of Eyre till you are heading more in the direction of CP than Perisher. Not long runs but hold very nice snow. No groomers, no cut runs, just a tbar line - old school Nth P tbar style. Base station just low enough that you can return from Mt Ps west side via a long pushing traverse, enough of a traverse when combined with needing two t-bar rides to get back to the top should keep most away (double red line is approx. tbar line, single red line is new boundary of resort and traverse return to t-bar).

     
    Jacko4650 and Snow Blowey like this.
  21. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 1998
    Messages:
    68,700
    Likes Received:
    5,036
    Location:
    Port Macquarie NSW

    Nice work Xwing. I can retire now. :D
     
    nfip likes this.
  22. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 1998
    Messages:
    68,700
    Likes Received:
    5,036
    Location:
    Port Macquarie NSW

    Excellent work. I proposed similar way back, and a small T on the East face of the Paralyser. :) Click on pic for full screen.





    click for wide

     
    #272 VSG, Apr 12, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2019
  23. cornice11

    cornice11 One of Us

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2018
    Messages:
    267
    Likes Received:
    453
    No.
    Leave it undeveloped sidecountry.
     
    bywong_yuki, nfip and VSG like this.
  24. Lady Penelope

    Lady Penelope One of some lot ... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    3,023
    Likes Received:
    7,434
    Location:
    Canberra
    Well, the cable is being loaded (if that’s the correct term) onto Leichhardt chair today. Looks like the rope tow has definitely gone ...



    Earlier in the day: no cable!



    The bullwheel behind the crane ....

     
    bywong_yuki, IAB, Snowy Joey and 11 others like this.
  25. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    29,786
    Likes Received:
    25,307
    Location:
    woonona
    Bummer re rope tow. However it cut across a potential fall line to load.
     
    Ted Harper likes this.
  26. robbo mcs

    robbo mcs One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,090
    Likes Received:
    6,036
    Don't write off the rope tow yet. It is only a temporary installation in winter, so wouldn't expect to see any evidence of it there at the moment.

    The word from management last year was that they were going to run it this season, to see how traffic flows played out. However, no guarantee
     
    Marty_McSly, IAB, skifree and 5 others like this.
  27. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

    Joined:
    May 15, 2014
    Messages:
    1,676
    Likes Received:
    2,600
    Might be just as well I'm taking the Shift Bindings this season - might have to do the odd up-hill if the experiment doesn't work out so well. I agree that it will take a season to figure out whether it is needed or not. IMO the new chair will increase traffic quite significantly, particularly the attraction of the Leichhardt Park which has good wraps (not my thing), drawing more upper-beginners and intermediates across from front valley as they test their skill levels. The main park in front valley is awesome - for upper intermediates and advanced park riders and probably a bit daunting for anyone else, so Leichhardt will be so much more attractive tothose who are not that confident on steep T-Bars, particularly boarders.
     
  28. Mitchell Pearce

    Mitchell Pearce One of Us

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2018
    Messages:
    846
    Likes Received:
    1,165
    I love the skiing around power ridge and over to Mt P .with the new chair I'm guessing more will be heading that way. So many good non groomed runs. The snow can be a bit heavier through those ridges and tree runs.
     
  29. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    29,786
    Likes Received:
    25,307
    Location:
    woonona
    Pic off FB
    [​IMG]

    That will be the second last chair to go on windhold .... So sheltered.
     
    Jacko4650 and Undies like this.
  30. Undies

    Undies Pizza! Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 15, 2002
    Messages:
    19,422
    Likes Received:
    11,216
    Location:
    Top drawer
    Have they stopped it before the existing T-bar dismount area? The breeze can come through there a bit sometimes, so hiding in behind the knoll and trees just prior to it would work quite well for windhold.
     
  31. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    29,786
    Likes Received:
    25,307
    Location:
    woonona
    Yeah looks shorter . More held back as you say.
     
    Undies likes this.
  32. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    18,638
    Likes Received:
    18,117
    Location:
    South Co.
    But they built it up a fair bit higher.
    Maybe 3 or 4 m looking at the pix.
     
    Jacko4650 likes this.
  33. MarcoPOWlo

    MarcoPOWlo Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2013
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    29
    Location:
    CentralCoast NSW
  34. robbo mcs

    robbo mcs One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,090
    Likes Received:
    6,036
    The unload is actually further up the hill than where it was on the T-bar. The area in front where the unload us used to be trees, like on either side. They have cleared those, and built it up a little, as seen by the rocks and dirt. The old t-bar unload is around 20-30m lower down the hill.

    Not sure what this means for wind. However, I have been there when the t-bar was on wind hold:eek:
     
    Ted Harper, Marty_McSly and Jacko4650 like this.
  35. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    18,638
    Likes Received:
    18,117
    Location:
    South Co.
    has a shape of ridge chair un-load in that pic.
    IMO.
     
  36. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

    Joined:
    May 15, 2014
    Messages:
    1,676
    Likes Received:
    2,600
    The offload looks like it will be "interesting" for beginners. Didn't see that happening, though the extra height is no doubt to allow access to multiple runs without the 'bunching effect' that occasionally occurred in the past. It used to be so flat that people would sometimes just mill around, sometimes getting in the way so this might be the fix. Not quite the double black offload you sometimes get off the Guthega Car park double, but could nonetheless be entertaining given the number of beginners likely to test their skills on the new Leichhardt.
     
  37. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    29,786
    Likes Received:
    25,307
    Location:
    woonona
    It's a fixed grip.
    They all have a decent ramp.
    Groomers and windblown will mellow it a bit.
     
    Jacko4650 and nfip like this.
  38. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

    Joined:
    May 15, 2014
    Messages:
    1,676
    Likes Received:
    2,600
    Will it be like the Freedom Chair (ie: fixed grip???) which has quite a flat offload but has a lot of stops due to unload issues.
     
  39. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    18,638
    Likes Received:
    18,117
    Location:
    South Co.
    yep.
    they will shape it to suit the target audience
     
    Jacko4650 likes this.
  40. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    18,638
    Likes Received:
    18,117
    Location:
    South Co.
    biggest issue there is it unloads straight into a rock wall.
    Ridge is similar
    and for some reason the punters have to unload straight then decide which way they going rather than a little forward planning before they hit the ramp.
     
    Jacko4650 likes this.
  41. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    8,071
    Likes Received:
    8,301
    Location:
    Hunter Valley Whine Country, NSW
    This I don't understand. I try to load on the side I know I'll be getting off.
     
    skifree likes this.
  42. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    29,786
    Likes Received:
    25,307
    Location:
    woonona
    Summit is same.
     
  43. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    18,638
    Likes Received:
    18,117
    Location:
    South Co.
    but that's just too sensible.
    and when all else fails, of course can try the olde "which way you going ?"
    my default is hit the picks , let it unfold and skate away (if no one needs a real assist)
     
    Jacko4650 likes this.
  44. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    18,638
    Likes Received:
    18,117
    Location:
    South Co.
    yeah but doesn't seem to grid-lock like the others .
    think mainly because they groom it / naturally it falls away towards the ridge
     
  45. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

    Joined:
    May 15, 2014
    Messages:
    1,676
    Likes Received:
    2,600
    This is why our group start asking strangers whether they are going left or right at the top back at the line up area before the load. Most common answer: don't know. Ridge Chair is fairly narly when those seated right want to go left and vice versa.
     
    Marty_McSly likes this.
  46. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    Messages:
    8,071
    Likes Received:
    8,301
    Location:
    Hunter Valley Whine Country, NSW
     
  47. Nidecker

    Nidecker One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2009
    Messages:
    2,646
    Likes Received:
    1,795
    Location:
    Alpine the dark side of snowboarding
    Typical human behavior everywhere..... I just want to scream sometimes WALK RIDE DRIVE LIVE YOUR LIFE WITH PURPOSE PEOPLE but I resist :) I have astonishing self control ..... !
     
    nfip and Jacko4650 like this.
  48. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2006
    Messages:
    18,638
    Likes Received:
    18,117
    Location:
    South Co.
    I actually expect / anticipate the worst dumbest to actually occur .
    very much an exercise in defensive driving and mindfulness when in traffic.
     
  49. Slalom

    Slalom A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2013
    Messages:
    7,351
    Likes Received:
    7,082
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Gotta say, I never really think about what side I'm disembarking when loading.
    It's really not that hard and I don't get in anyone's way. If it happens that I want to go the opposite side to my seat, I'll either get off quickly or loop around under the lift.
     
    nezumi likes this.
  50. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Messages:
    29,786
    Likes Received:
    25,307
    Location:
    woonona
    I just go straight