What to do with the Leichardt T-Bar

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skinavy

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They are the experts in building lifts. They've built more ski liftsin the usa using helicopters than all the other operators combined. It showed
Interestingly it means the towers only weigh a max of 8000lb (max weight on the hook for a H60). Thought it would have been more.

The big thing with it is the training and techniques of the crew, both airborne and ground, to do this. Really we should do more of this kind of construction in Australia, including mobile phone towers, microwave towers, etc. Instead what do we do? Build a really big road for trucks rather a little road for a 4x4.
 

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Interestingly it means the towers only weigh a max of 8000lb (max weight on the hook for a H60). Thought it would have been more.

The big thing with it is the training and techniques of the crew, both airborne and ground, to do this. Really we should do more of this kind of construction in Australia, including mobile phone towers, microwave towers, etc. Instead what do we do? Build a really big road for trucks rather a little road for a 4x4.
I guess thats why they do it in sections ? There were 4 lifts per tower it looks like.
 

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I guess thats why they do it in sections ? There were 4 lifts per tower it looks like.
That makes more sense. Still only puts it at about 14t per tower (took off 200lb per lift for the sling, probably should take off more). Still seems surprisingly light. But given I'm an electrical engineer with an aerospace masters wtf would I know about about building the towers bit.
 

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That makes more sense. Still only puts it at about 14t per tower (took off 200lb per lift for the sling, probably should take off more). Still seems surprisingly light. But given I'm an electrical engineer with an aerospace masters wtf would I know about about building the towers bit.

I shared a few lifts once with a guy who was an ex geotechnical engineer for dopplemayr. Very interesting conversations. He told me he has been to virtually every major ski resort in the world, but always in summer;) It was interesting to hear his perspective on planning and construction of towers.
 
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Could be getting its first blanket of snow this weekend.

I hate to be a negative Nelly but now is just about precisely the worst time for anyone (except the marketing department) to get snow. There is a LOT of outside work going on around the resort, and even it melts in a day or two - as it inevitably does this time of year - it really disrupts things when it snows, along with the inevitable gale force winds.
 

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I'm so happy we cracked on with our work parties nice and early this year for the lodge. I don;t think we were alone - I did notice heaps of people at Guthega last weekend! Only some internal stuff to do now!
 
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Is it my imagination or is that tower for the Leichardt Chair installed at an angle instead of vertical?
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This - extend it a little...rough photoshop
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I've got a slightly different idea to avoid the west face being skied out to quick and to account for its westerly aspect which means at times, depending on the wind direction, a good amount of it will be scoured and make the storm day facials obtained on Mt Ps T-bars seem like a sunny day at the park. Would also open up a nice little pod of terrain further out on Mt Ps south face. You know, those nice steepish little lines and wide open trees that drag you further and further skiers right when going wide of Eyre till you are heading more in the direction of CP than Perisher. Not long runs but hold very nice snow. No groomers, no cut runs, just a tbar line - old school Nth P tbar style. Base station just low enough that you can return from Mt Ps west side via a long pushing traverse, enough of a traverse when combined with needing two t-bar rides to get back to the top should keep most away (double red line is approx. tbar line, single red line is new boundary of resort and traverse return to t-bar).

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..... Base station just low enough that you can return from Mt Ps west side via a long pushing traverse, enough of a traverse when combined with needing two t-bar rides to get back to the top should keep most away (double red line is approx. tbar line, single red line is new boundary of resort and traverse return to t-bar).

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Excellent work. I proposed similar way back, and a small T on the East face of the Paralyser. :) Click on pic for full screen.

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Don't write off the rope tow yet. It is only a temporary installation in winter, so wouldn't expect to see any evidence of it there at the moment.

The word from management last year was that they were going to run it this season, to see how traffic flows played out. However, no guarantee
Might be just as well I'm taking the Shift Bindings this season - might have to do the odd up-hill if the experiment doesn't work out so well. I agree that it will take a season to figure out whether it is needed or not. IMO the new chair will increase traffic quite significantly, particularly the attraction of the Leichhardt Park which has good wraps (not my thing), drawing more upper-beginners and intermediates across from front valley as they test their skill levels. The main park in front valley is awesome - for upper intermediates and advanced park riders and probably a bit daunting for anyone else, so Leichhardt will be so much more attractive tothose who are not that confident on steep T-Bars, particularly boarders.
 

Mitchell Pearce

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I love the skiing around power ridge and over to Mt P .with the new chair I'm guessing more will be heading that way. So many good non groomed runs. The snow can be a bit heavier through those ridges and tree runs.
 

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Have they stopped it before the existing T-bar dismount area? The breeze can come through there a bit sometimes, so hiding in behind the knoll and trees just prior to it would work quite well for windhold.
 

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Have they stopped it before the existing T-bar dismount area? The breeze can come through there a bit sometimes, so hiding in behind the knoll and trees just prior to it would work quite well for windhold.
Yeah looks shorter . More held back as you say.
 
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The unload is actually further up the hill than where it was on the T-bar. The area in front where the unload us used to be trees, like on either side. They have cleared those, and built it up a little, as seen by the rocks and dirt. The old t-bar unload is around 20-30m lower down the hill.

Not sure what this means for wind. However, I have been there when the t-bar was on wind hold:eek:
 

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The unload is actually further up the hill than where it was on the T-bar. The area in front where the unload us used to be trees, like on either side. They have cleared those, and built it up a little, as seen by the rocks and dirt. The old t-bar unload is around 20-30m lower down the hill.

Not sure what this means for wind. However, I have been there when the t-bar was on wind hold:eek:
The offload looks like it will be "interesting" for beginners. Didn't see that happening, though the extra height is no doubt to allow access to multiple runs without the 'bunching effect' that occasionally occurred in the past. It used to be so flat that people would sometimes just mill around, sometimes getting in the way so this might be the fix. Not quite the double black offload you sometimes get off the Guthega Car park double, but could nonetheless be entertaining given the number of beginners likely to test their skills on the new Leichhardt.
 

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The offload looks like it will be "interesting" for beginners. Didn't see that happening, though the extra height is no doubt to allow access to multiple runs without the 'bunching effect' that occasionally occurred in the past. It used to be so flat that people would sometimes just mill around, sometimes getting in the way so this might be the fix. Not quite the double black offload you sometimes get off the Guthega Car park double, but could nonetheless be entertaining given the number of beginners likely to test their skills on the new Leichhardt.
It's a fixed grip.
They all have a decent ramp.
Groomers and windblown will mellow it a bit.
 
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It's a fixed grip.
They all have a decent ramp.
Groomers and windblown will mellow it a bit.
Will it be like the Freedom Chair (ie: fixed grip???) which has quite a flat offload but has a lot of stops due to unload issues.
 

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Will it be like the Freedom Chair (ie: fixed grip???) which has quite a flat offload but has a lot of stops due to unload issues.
biggest issue there is it unloads straight into a rock wall.
Ridge is similar
and for some reason the punters have to unload straight then decide which way they going rather than a little forward planning before they hit the ramp.
 
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biggest issue there is it unloads straight into a rock wall.
Ridge is similar
and for some reason the punters have to unload straight then decide which way they going rather than a little forward planning before they hit the ramp.
Summit is same.
 

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This I don't understand. I try to load on the side I know I'll be getting off.
but that's just too sensible.
and when all else fails, of course can try the olde "which way you going ?"
my default is hit the picks , let it unfold and skate away (if no one needs a real assist)
 
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This I don't understand. I try to load on the side I know I'll be getting off.
This is why our group start asking strangers whether they are going left or right at the top back at the line up area before the load. Most common answer: don't know. Ridge Chair is fairly narly when those seated right want to go left and vice versa.
 
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biggest issue there is it unloads straight into a rock wall.
Ridge is similar
and for some reason the punters have to unload straight then decide which way they going rather than a little forward planning before they hit the ramp.

Typical human behavior everywhere..... I just want to scream sometimes WALK RIDE DRIVE LIVE YOUR LIFE WITH PURPOSE PEOPLE but I resist :) I have astonishing self control ..... !
 
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Typical human behavior everywhere..... I just want to scream sometimes WALK RIDE DRIVE LIVE YOUR LIFE WITH PURPOSE PEOPLE but I resist :) I have astonishing self control ..... !
I actually expect / anticipate the worst dumbest to actually occur .
very much an exercise in defensive driving and mindfulness when in traffic.
 

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Gotta say, I never really think about what side I'm disembarking when loading.
It's really not that hard and I don't get in anyone's way. If it happens that I want to go the opposite side to my seat, I'll either get off quickly or loop around under the lift.
 
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