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Question What's in your pack?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Ricardo64, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. Ricardo64

    Ricardo64 Hard Yards

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    Hi Ya all (Dam!! Is that a word these days!!)

    As some may be aware that I am planning another trip soon,( Ok..I concur Mt Stirling is safer as a first trip than Feather top, but second trip has got to be a good one {BOGONG}.

    Anyway I have performed a dry run of my pack and am really struggling to get it done to a reasonable weight (for me I would like around 15-16Kg). I am currently packed 19 Kg( feels like not only kitchen sink but the bloody lounge room as well). I understand it comes down to preferences at the end of the day.

    What is your ideal pack weight and how did you reduce your load down to it ?

    Bearing in mind I don't currently have a 1 man tent( 2x 2man)
     
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    zapruda One of Us

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    This is my gear list for multi night tours - https://lighterpack.com/r/955xen

    I take a "less is more" approach when possible. This helps me get to around 8.5kg In winter, not including food and water.

    We could all give you much more help if you give us a gear list. Its a pain to do initially but once its all written down you can really start culling useless shit.
     
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    sbm_ One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Alas, it's hard to get below 20kg traveling solo in winter, I think you're doing well really. Gram counting only gets you so far when you have to have a winter-ready tent, mat, sleeping bag, and jacket.

    The best way to save weight is to go in a party, you can split up carrying a tent and stove. Otherwise, get fitter, or make a base camp a couple of hours from the trailhead, so you're not carrying everything on your back the whole trip.
     
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    My winter pack is currently 18kg (I think) but that includes stake, harness, rope, and helmet.... will report back...

    I am sure I could get it to 16kg odd without those 'hill' extras.
     
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  5. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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  6. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    My base weight for an overnight is 13kg, [I'm a bit light on with water and food], even, but inc Crampons and ice axe is 15kg, add in 'hill stuff',snow shoes, avi, rope and rescue gear - big jump to = ~21kg

    I could lighten up further with a lighter tent and more modern pack. All that goes into a 1990s 70l rucksack with a bit of Scout / schoolboy hanging stuff off the sides.
     
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Solo multi day the pack weight is 18-20 kg.
    Doesn't pay to be a gram pincher IME. You can get stuck in a gale and go crazy without a pack of cards, e-reader, big bag of scroggin or other goodies to occupy the time.
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Think we’ve done this thread a few times....

    At 20kg my pack has six bottles of red!
     
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  11. Ricardo64

    Ricardo64 Hard Yards

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    Apologies for rehashing a thread. I thought consulting the all knowing brains trust would enlighten me to a new (lighter) way of packing. It seems that the macpac Olympus is taking the highest percentage of weight @ 4.2kg. I don't want to be a gram counter but it seems to be a thresh hold of where, it stops being enjoyable and starts being dangerous on the slide home.
     
  12. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    What we want is @ecowain partners gear list from her last ski wander. The pack weight quoted seemed unpossible & inspirational & aspirational.
     
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  13. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Over time I have developed a rule of thumb - 20% of bodyweight and below is workable.

    Anything above 25% hinders you and compromises enjoyment, but depends on your threshold of tolerance, length of trip, nature of terrain, additional safety requirements.
     
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    Time Hard Yards

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    Lots of variables here.

    Ice axes, crampons, trip plans... camera gear...

    I’d say if you are under 20kg without water your doing well.
     
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    bluestick One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    re tent weights gave up on the olympus due to the weight only really needed if you plan to camp in very exposed spots, now carry one of the tarptents which is like 1 kg pp there are other lighter options .... with weather forecasts and mobile/satellite now its mostly hard to get caught out
     
  16. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    20kg....sigh.....
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I dunno about this tarp stuff. I got over waking up with 2 inches off spindrift over everything including my face a long time ago. The shelter (tent) needs to be a decent well sealed space for sleeping & keeping boot insides snow free with somewhere to cook & use the toob under cover, like a vestibule.
     
  18. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Short answer, not too much stuff

    Approx list
    Approx weights
    40L cilogear pack with lots cut off plus pack liner, 500g
    Womens neoair xlite and 5mm foamie doubling as pack frame, 400g
    Enlightened equip quilt, rated 5F, 800g
    MLD bivy, 170g
    MLD tarp, 2.6x2.8, 290g
    Lawson snow stakes, 10, 100g
    Caldera cone stove system plus pot, 200g
    Mug, spoon, mini knife
    FAK and repair, battery bank, phone with useful apps, poobag, water treatment, etc 700g
    Bearclaw shovel
    Maps printed on waterproof paper
    Macpac alpine series hightail shell jacket and pants, 350g
    Macpac supernova downie 350g
    WM down vest, 100g
    Houdini windshirt, 120g
    Down booties, 150g
    Beanie
    (worn , Patagonia exped capilene tops and bottoms, 300g)
    (worn, hiking pants, icebreaker top, undies, sunhat, etc)

    Madshus epoch skis, tlt speed bindings, garmont AT boots, BD poles

    Fuel for 4 days, 500g
    2x 2L platypus
    Approx 500ml water carried whilst moving
    Food for 4 days, 750g per day.

    That's most of it. I've probably got half of it wrong...
    So about 4.5kg base weight, plus 1kg liquids, plus 3kg food.
    Camped on summit plateau of J in about 50kmh winds happily.
     
  19. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Put a dollar value against heavy list...

    Put a dollar value against light list...

    Rule of thumb 1: light list costs double heavy list.

    Rule of thumb 2: light list gets used 5 times as often as heavy list.

    Conclusion -over time the light list is better value for money... a worthwhile investment.

    Incremental replacement of heavier items with lighter items over time depending on +1 tolerance...
     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Verdict on the Caldera ? Adjusting the burner ?
     
  21. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    My theory: 2 shit hours hauling heaps of stuff up to Michell hit, followed by a week of creature comforts.
     
  22. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I've had one for about 7 years. Excellent. Needs a bit of babying in snow, but not bad. Pre heat ring helps it get started. Have a simmer ring for it, which works to adjust heat output.

    Pot specific size though,..

    But have also used a mini frybake pan with it on a mountaineering trip to bake fresh bread and pizzas ok.

    Very fuel efficient. 21st century trangia!

    In the snow i use a silicon heatproof mat for it, that is just slightly bigger than footprint of the cone. It works well as a lightweight stove board.
     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks for the tip. Must have one of those now.
     
  24. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    If you are up in the blueys and want to have a look, let me know. We have 3 different sizes.

    The pepsi can stove is better than the newer one that they have as an option.
     
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  25. Ricardo64

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    And there it is 18kg.
    https://lighterpack.com/r/25zr1j

    As you can see most of my weight is in the shelter arrangement, everything else seems evenly distributed, I am probably heavy in foods and cooking..but I like a hearty meal after a good days work.
     
  26. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    My Olympus came in at just under 3 kg. Where does 4.2 come from?
     
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    Ricardo64 Hard Yards

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    stand corrected Just re-weighed the Mac pac Olympus = 4.0 kg, could be the lead lining ;)
     
  28. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Using skis and ski poles means you can leave some snow pegs at home....

    Etcetera....
     
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    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    If your backpack has a separate lower compartment you could leave the tent bag at home...

    You could replace the existing cords with lighter Dyneema cords at little cost...

    Pinching grams here and there helps - metal clips replaced by cord...
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Its the 4 kilos of camera gear that hurts mine.
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Cut the handle and half the bristles off the toothbrush.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Leave the 300mm lens at home?
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Essential kit! I love them!
     
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    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    My twin door model from early 90s is 3.6 or so, heavy bulky thing but was oh so nice in a storm.
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    All good, maybe it’s bean counting but I weighted everything I have, so much easier to be ruthless when working out a gear list looking at weights. I then looked at what didn’t get used on trips and slowly shifted gear to lighter weight stuff.

    Now my pack is 8kg - 9kg plus food and water, depending on how much I share group gear. I don’t have any ultra light gear I just make sure my pack has space for wine.

    **** that I’d say if your over 20kg you taking too much! Either that or your twenty and Father Time hasn’t worked his wonders on your body. If this is the case trust me when I say you will enjoy the mountains more in the future by taking action now, your body will thank you.
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Voile straps
    Tim Tams
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Having hauled a fair bit of heavy and bulky equipment around in the alpine, I have to say, that if you're really committed to the mega basecamp, creature comforts, way of life, then a sled/pulk has gotta be a good investment. So much easier to drag shit than carry.
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Tim Tams are good, usually those or squiggles for lunch. I took some undergrads out for some snowy fieldwork earlier this winter (they got to snow shoe, they were so chuffed!), and they were blown away when I pulled out the Tim Tams for lunch, haha!
     
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    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Watching my mates with their ill conceived toboggans with a far to high CoG on a sidehill was pretty bloody funny!
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    I've found these: http://www.northernsledworks.com/Siglin_Pulks.html work very well traversing slopes up to 25 degrees. They will swing down below you a bit, but the pulk poles make a big difference. Beyond that the trick is to have a friend following you with a short-rope to the back of the sled, then it's all pretty dreamy. Having someone follow roped onto the sled is also advisable on long steep descents in many cases, as they can brake the load and avoid the dreaded sled overtaking skier scenario.
     
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    Nice.

    I'll be sure to not tell them! LOL ROFL
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Calling @DJM haha. Dreamy!
     
  44. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Dreamy unless there's no snow. Then it's not... Hmmm, who do we know that takes their sled walking. Hehehe.

    Aussie sledding is like sledding the Tasman moraines, in summer.
     
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    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    never done the bristles but always had a cut down toothbrush since my Army days. More for storage convenience than weight though. Teeth, shave, eating, small towel all stored within and around my dixies. towel used to stop rattles more than anything.
     
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    Ubiquitous Steve A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Team Bears have the “tool”for :zzz:chainsaw,one spare chain,plastic wedge ,axe ,bar oil,two stroke.led torch ,chocolate bars:p ,mobile phone.chainsawfile in guide,matches and fire lighters!Perhaps a plastic mug and water bottle .Team Bears likes to travel light .....;)...

    In summer we thro in the I pad too!:whistle:

    Most useful bit is cheap led torch with fresh batteries as the Team is always having epics returning in the dark!
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    You're talking to a guy that spends a lot time skinning over tussock and rock, and through streams ;)
     
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    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yeah, but you probably don't take your sled.
     
  49. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    The Olympus pitch mainly relies on solid anchoring of the fly ends - so that's 4 points. So thinking out loud, that's 2 skis and 2 snow pegs or dead men, and the rest lesser pegs or something makeshift while out there.
     
  50. crackson

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    I don't see any quoted weights for pootubes.