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When will CP access road open up this year?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Mils, Aug 26, 2018.

  1. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    As mentioned above (and he would know), they will start clearing after the LWE.
     
  2. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    At least 2 of the crew members will be spending the weekend celebrating at my bosses birthday bash so not much chance of seeing machinery for a while.
     
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  3. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Move the party to Charlotte Pass.
     
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  4. SMSkier

    SMSkier One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Clearers parked at PV. Looks like some of the same machinery used last year.

     
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  5. SMSkier

    SMSkier One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hers a couple of shots of the road taken today. It’s clear right up to Eyre but as was pointed out in another thread by @Snowy Joey, the NP rangers were issuing tickets to a couple of vehicles parked at Eyre.

    Lots of clear patches looking from Mt P towards Spencer’s.

    My take is that there is way less snow on the road than last season so if they get onto it..... well let’s see!

    1 Towards the village.



    2. More towards Eyre.

     
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  6. Wally

    Wally One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Anyone heard of when the Khancoban-Cabramarra Rd will be open?
     
  7. Boutros

    Boutros One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Should have opened on Saturday I believe.
     
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  8. Wally

    Wally One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Wow. Thanks @Boutros - Neither Parks or Snowy Hydro would give me a date. Last year they didn't have it open until mid October
     
  9. SMSkier

    SMSkier One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Road should be open to Spencer’s IMO.... it’s clear to there. I guess there a proper reasons why it’s closed to the Spencer’s gate but it can’t be due to snow cover.....

    Took this shot from up near little Paralyser today.

     
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  10. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    :emoji_bicyclist:
     
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  11. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    What is the height ASL of that road. There’s lot of green
     
  12. SMSkier

    SMSkier One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Spencer’s is 1830 ASL. That green is typical for location and time of year.
     
  13. Normo

    Normo Mostly Harmless Ski Pass: Gold

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    Looking at the temporary barriers to road access before the gate this morning, I got the feeling that the road closure is more to do with machinery movements around Leichhardt than the snow on the road.
    With the only return to FV being via a rather busy HV T-bar, parking at Eyre and driving back would have been a much more preferable option. IMO :thumbs:
     
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  14. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    There seems to be a lot more snow showing on on the webcams of the ungromed parts of thredbo
     
  15. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Having walked on the road today there are stretches where only 1 lane is clear. Machines are required to clear it. But my estimate (i work in construction so I’ve some idea how long civil works take) is a morning of grader work will do it.

    Once clear of snow the road has to be checked & cleared for use by RMS & Police who will only come and inspect when good & ready.

    What we need is a senior RMS person to decide they want to trout fish in Spencer’s.
     
  16. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Or one that wants to ride to CP!
     
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  17. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    You could ride to Spencer’s tomoroz.

    But snow, good snow from there up.
     
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  18. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Weather depending, I will do so this weekend.
     
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  19. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Its a flat valley and the road is windblown and in the full sun all season.
     
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  20. D-eye

    D-eye Photographer and skier Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ticketing for no parks pass? I don't recall anything saying you can't park along there normally.
     
  21. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    The only access the NSW warriors talk about is the bitumen to Charlottes Pass!

    The boys need to harden up....earn their turns and be prepsred to walk a little.
    Stop sooking and start walking!:whistle:
    And remember your poo tubes!

    Team Bears think they are waiting for the comming wet mild weather forecast to do the job!
    The rains are comming....the rains are comming!
     
  22. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m thinking more for driving on a closed road. Is that illegal?
     
  23. Belly

    Belly A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Skiing the western faces as a day trip or overnighter in winter from Guthega is no different than Bogong from CCG. This is a seasonal thread because it opens up different access possibilities for light and fast day trippers, cyclists, and as touched on above trout enthusiasts ;)
    But if you're that jealous you could just do what I did and move here :)
     
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  24. Belly

    Belly A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just to confirm, this is your assessment to Spencer's gate, not the turning circle yeah?
     
  25. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nobody is snow clearing to access Mt Bogong.....nobody is snow clearing on those backcountry forest Rds.

    Well except for Xplora sometimes with the shovel brigade!
    Perhaps snowy clearing fee to open Charlottes Pass Carpark could be complemented ?

    We know some on this forum champion the user pays principle!
    Is KNP still charging it’s winter rate for vehicles in Sept?
     
  26. skifree

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    Yes gate only.

    Maybe 3 days work (then add inspections & approvals) gate to turning circle based on last years snow and work.
     
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  27. Belly

    Belly A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    So 2 weeks then :)
     
  28. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, which is about what someone else worked out / forecast earlier in this thread.
     
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  29. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Peak depth was still two weeks away last year, just sayin.
     
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  30. robbo mcs

    robbo mcs One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Peakk depth at spencers in 2017 was late september. In 2016 peak depth was 6th october
     
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  31. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes, sorry, last year peak depth was two weeks ago, this year a month ago.
     
  32. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    if it opens before the 13th I may set a new record for the Lismore Jindi run.
     
  33. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Timing on this seems to be getting worse. Youd think better gear would mean it could open sooner as years progress.

    Are they still worried about leaving big drops on uphill side? Heard that was a major factor last year. If so, shame on our nanny state.
     
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  34. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    No commercial imperative.

    We need fisher people to push the barrow to have it open for fishing in streams opening day. This is about the only hope of addressing the current roundtuit attitude.
     
  35. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yr.no has snow from next Thursday through Saturday. :rolleyes:
     
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  36. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    ROFL
     
  37. climberman

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    No-one in RMS Southern Region management knows that this is a concern. It's not a thing to them. It will not change by whining here on on FB (well, not by doing that alone). I'd lead a charge but am way to close to this given where my substantive role sits, it would be inappropriate. If someone asked me to help though I would tell them:
    • If you would like to effect change, treat it as a serious issue and do something.
    • You are trying to change hearts, minds and management priorities and habits of people who deal with 000's of issues a year, road fatalities, projects worth hundreds of millions of dollars, traffic committee complaints about gutter conditions on a roundabout in Bowral, random requests by Government (the Minister for Transport is Bega, the Deputy Premier Monaro), staff issues, commercial issues, program funding issues, asset failure matters, environmental conditions on sites, community outrage over stuff, serious injuries, contractual disputes, project approvals, etc, etc all day every day. You have to make 'open this road two weeks earlier makes all the difference' be a valid and reasonable argument - the cheapest way to manage the road would be to leave it until it melts in December, so many in RMS potentially think they ARE opening it early and don't get the 'issue'.
    • Compile evidence about desire and need for access (who? What user groups? why are they important? Where do they come from? How many of them are there? Why do Parks want them there and RMS want to facilitate this access? How will they be safe? How will this be managed?)
    • The road is a dedicated snow and ice risk road between June LWE and Oct LWE. The risk doesn't disappear on the Tuesday - how will this be approached? How can RMS's potential concerns be addressed?
    • Correlate access with local tourism.
    • Get support and feedback from local tourism businesses, the Chamber of Commerce, CP management, Outdoor Guides, Perisher, the cafe at Eyre, NPWS, anyone and everyone. Get them in writing. If you want to put together a social media campaign, get some actual advice on campaign management and work out what you are asking people to be worked up about and what you want them to do (ie, not just complain). An outdoor business owner is the current or past head of the Jindy CoC.
    • Recognise that CP have a lease over part of the road that provided access until the end of the October Labour Day LWE and any earlier dates than this are subject to agreement with CP.
    • Work out how you are going to let those people that can influence this change, aware of the issues you have and the social media support there is.
    • Work out what concerns RMS are likely to have, and Parks. Work out how to address these concerns.
    • Expect a process, with some to and fro.
    • Think carefully and in a considered manner about what you are asking for and why, and why it matters.
    • Align with key Transport/RMS and NPWS policy items on customer service, 'customer at the heart of everything we do', Parks' similar ones
    • Where are the opportunities for good news stories for local politicians and Parks and RMS? How will you facilitate this positive process?
    • What will the outdoor community give to assist? A few hours vollie work making the access track or lookout safe for the non-skiing visitors? Something? Anything?
    Good luck.
     
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  38. Untele-whippet

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    Tomorrow then, excellent!?
     
  39. climberman

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    Yep, my work here is done!
     
  40. climberman

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  41. skifree

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    So embrace the pause in access & look at the Guthega and DHG access and terrain which is all pretty nice.:)

    Or ride your bike to Spencer’s.:cool:
     
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    Damn that, I pay my taxes and I want it open more.

    <Falls on floor and tantrums like a toddler>
     
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    I get your point, but what has changed in the last few years. My memory of say 2000 through 2015 was that the road always opened just after the lwe.
     
  45. climberman

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    fk knows
    other priorities
    different staff
    different staff at Cooma as well.
     
  46. climberman

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    BTW Kozzie chair running until 14th Oct.
     
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  47. Boutros

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    Main change this year is the new CP lease that has them running until LWE. In past years as soon as CP shut up shop RMS could start clearing and have it ready by LWE. Now CP need to keep running oversnow right up to the end (if conditions allow) and then straight after LWE RMS staff and contractors have a week off to recover from the winter.

    But as @climberman has also stated, if the demand is not known, in this day and age of limited budgets the relevant parties won’t see it as a priority to spend dollars on something that will happen naturally if left to its own devices.
     
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  48. skifree

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    Given CP has been running tyred vehicles to Spencer’s and changing to oversnow vehicles there (as per previous late seasons) for a while now, RMS could have cleared to Spencers for the fisher people to be at Spencer’s the moment the stream fishing season opened.

    This used to be the imperative but clearly it’s fallen off the RMS agenda, the wrong staff have retired, relocated or something.
     
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    So what's the best way we can somehow all put an email out to the RMS crew to get moving ASAP for backcountry enthusiasts. It might not happen this year but would be good to get a head start on next year!
     
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    Have CP host the Stadelmann (who appear to be based in Bright Vico) staff bbq on 4 October 2019.