When will Japan open for Tourists post Covid 19

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My best friend has booked a trip to Shiga Kogen this December with her teenage son. For her sake, I will nominate 17 December 2022. Personally, I’m hoping that I can get in by late December 2023!
 
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I'm going with spring 2023, 1st April. The overseas ski cohort don't have a great reputation in a few places. Unwarranted for sure, but a few bad apples etc.
Didn't Japan have a huge season with high visitation due to the captive local market? Much like Australian tourism during our border closure.

It doesn't matter who is sitting on the chairlifts and sleeping in the beds as long as they're a tourist from somewhere.
 
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Japan is a perfect two week holiday for many Australians. 10 days skiing.
4 days faffing in Tokyo or Kyoto etc.
14 days isn't feasible for North America or Europe.
Those destinations require a dip into annual leave approaching a month.
Which leaves scant leave for July school holidays, interschools etc.

I'm an optimist, I say they'll open 1 Oct 22.

I respectfully disagree that NA needs more than 2 weeks. While not ideal, you can still fit a fair bit in 2 weeks. Yes, flight time is an extra 5 hrs beyond flying to CTS (less to Tokyo) but once you are there its comparable.
 

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I'm an optimist, I say they'll open 1 Oct 22.

I respectfully disagree that NA needs more than 2 weeks. While not ideal, you can still fit a fair bit in 2 weeks. Yes, flight time is an extra 5 hrs beyond flying to CTS (less to Tokyo) but once you are there its comparable.
Its not just the 5 hours of travel time its the additional timezone acclimatisation.
 
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Europe is easier, I find, as the time difference is only 5-7 hours. the 12 hour opposite timezone of the US just wrecks me. (with the caveat that I've figured out how to do it if in the pointy end of the plane, but thats only work trips)
 

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Yep, hopefully they sleep ok on the planes! Not looking fwd to the 5hr LAX stopover either, but least we've got a direct flight from LAX to Aspen...
Will 5 hrs be enough?

I've been watching some horror stories (on youtube) at LAX recently with domestic connections.

Hope its improved by winter.
 
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Will 5 hrs be enough?

I've been watching some horror stories (on youtube) at LAX recently with domestic connections.

Hope its improved by winter.

Yep, Delta actually gave us a two flight options, one with 2hrs, one with 5. Hard to imagine 2 would suffice. Flight lands at 6am so hopefully not too bad but I know LAX is a shocker.

@elSpike I'd forgotten about the US jetlag thing. That will be a joy with young kids! first world problems. Our time diff b/w Europe is 11-12 in winter, much less from Singers.
 
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Yep, Delta actually gave us a two flight options, one with 2hrs, one with 5. Hard to imagine 2 would suffice. Flight lands at 6am so hopefully not too bad but I know LAX is a shocker.

@elSpike I'd forgotten about the US jetlag thing. That will be a joy with young kids! first world problems.
Pre-covid Friends of mine were given a 140 min window to clear customs get bags etc. Then transfer over to a Eagle air flight to SFO.

Their travel agent told them it would be fine, they'd be able to grab a coffee .
They missed the connection by yonks.
Ended up staying the day at LAX as the Eagle flights were all full. Finally got to SFO and then drove to Tahoe.
arrived after midnight.
 
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How does guessing when borders might be open is fun ?????
Horses for courses I guess
If you guess this year, you get to enjoy your optimism. If you guess next year, you get to enjoy wallowing in your misery. If you don't guess at all, you get to enjoy being a sourpuss!
 
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Didn't Japan have a huge season with high visitation due to the captive local market? Much like Australian tourism during our border closure.

It doesn't matter who is sitting on the chairlifts and sleeping in the beds as long as they're a tourist from somewhere.
Not in Niseko.
Ok maybe the hotels and ryokans got customers, but my little 3 bed upper village apartment had 0 nights rental. 0. Every since we left in March 2020. But the bills keep rolling in. You still need snow clearing, power so the pipes don’t freeze up, and of course “management fees” and Japanese Tax/rates etc.
It’s been an exxy ride.
Luckily we can ride it out.
Many others cant
 

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Not in Niseko.
Ok maybe the hotels and ryokans got customers, but my little 3 bed upper village apartment had 0 nights rental. 0. Every since we left in March 2020. But the bills keep rolling in. You still need snow clearing, power so the pipes don’t freeze up, and of course “management fees” and Japanese Tax/rates etc.
It’s been an exxy ride.
Luckily we can ride it out.
Many others cant
I hope you had someone come through to air out ect during the green season too. Mouldy summers... :eek:
 

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Not in Niseko.
Ok maybe the hotels and ryokans got customers, but my little 3 bed upper village apartment had 0 nights rental. 0. Every since we left in March 2020. But the bills keep rolling in. You still need snow clearing, power so the pipes don’t freeze up, and of course “management fees” and Japanese Tax/rates etc.
It’s been an exxy ride.
Luckily we can ride it out.
Many others cant
Sorry to hear that.
 

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Always bit more challenging with kids
Heaps more. There’s no rule that says kids, especially littlies, have to enjoy their long, tiring day in buses, trains, planes and airport queues. On the law of averages, the exact opposite is most likely.
 

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if this Japan winter is closed to independent visas , what are the group Ski Tours that are on ?

this one is 6 days, 3500CAD but good for b.c as well as on-field.
pity its not in Yen which is still at a good rate...

Interested to look at tours if you can post, cheers
 

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if this Japan winter is closed to independent visas , what are the group Ski Tours that are on ?

this one is 6 days, 3500CAD but good for b.c as well as on-field.
pity its not in Yen which is still at a good rate...

Interested to look at tours if you can post, cheers
Are they associated with a Japanese Travel agent? I have not looked at it in detail. But my understanding is that the current tours can only be operated by Japanese travel agents.
 
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I hope you had someone come through to air out ect during the green season too. Mouldy summers... :eek:
Who knows…
That’s the difficult part of not being able to visit and eyeball your property. There is a lot of trust in the management.
 

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Didn't Japan have a huge season with high visitation due to the captive local market? Much like Australian tourism during our border closure.

It doesn't matter who is sitting on the chairlifts and sleeping in the beds as long as they're a tourist from somewhere.
Yes, Japan had a huge season snow wise. Huge snow doesn't necessarily attract huge Japanese crowds, because there's "too much" fresh snow. High visitation rates? Not especially. And like usual, hardly anybody around during mid week.


Captive local market? What captive market? Of the 5 flights I took out of and into Japan (US), maybe 80% were Japanese. i.e. Japanese were traveling as tourists to the US, since they were allowed to reenter Japan.
"Much like Australian tourism during our border closure." The border closures in Australia were both ways, in Japan there was no border closure either way for Japanese from October 2020
 

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Yes, Japan had a huge season snow wise. Huge snow doesn't necessarily attract huge Japanese crowds, because there's "too much" fresh snow. High visitation rates? Not especially. And like usual, hardly anybody around during mid week.


Captive local market? What captive market? Of the 5 flights I took out of and into Japan (US), maybe 80% were Japanese. i.e. Japanese were traveling as tourists to the US, since they were allowed to reenter Japan.
"Much like Australian tourism during our border closure." The border closures in Australia were both ways, in Japan there was no border closure either way for Japanese from October 2020
Uh ha, thanks for clearing that up for me. I erroneously thought Japanese residents couldn't leave and were thus holidaying inbound.
 
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This thread is supposed to be a bit of light hearted fun so taking it for what it is. For those of us missing out on our Japan ski season fix, it is nothing compared to those whose income stream has dried up and remains dry while Japan fartar$e around with their open dates. Feel for all of you accom owners and others impacted.

Fingers crossed it gets sorted soon. On the plus side, judging by what has happened in oz, it will return with a massive vengeance and you'll recoup some losses with increaed prices etc. Accom near/in the nsw resorts has doubled in price this season with all the pent up demand, and i doubt it will reduce materially next year.
 

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I'm an optimist, I say they'll open 1 Oct 22.

I respectfully disagree that NA needs more than 2 weeks. While not ideal, you can still fit a fair bit in 2 weeks. Yes, flight time is an extra 5 hrs beyond flying to CTS (less to Tokyo) but once you are there its comparable.
Taken
 

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I have updated the Op with peoples dates If I have missed you and you have chosen a date not already taken reply to this post.

For those who seem to not understand this sort of "book", you need to pick a date that has not been already taken by someone else.
 
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How many nights accom do we get at Chalet Myoko for winning pls @skichanger?!
I am still thinking about that. Big ask to expect that sort of prize for something that is free to enter. Accom before Christmas or in March at either lodge, happy to offer a discount or some time on snow with my mogul skier.

I was thinking about 5000 yen voucher at The Avenue, the restaurant at Chalet Madarao. Or a days ski rental. But many would not be able to claim those.

Getting to ski with me at Perisher in Augest or September is another option. ROFL But we may not know the outcome by then.

Maybe a Chalet Myoko t-shirt.

Happy to have other business owners contribute
 
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I am still thinking about that. Big ask to expect that sort of prize for something that is free to enter. Accom before Christmas or in March at either lodge, happy to offer a discount or some time on snow with my mogul skier.

I was thinking about 5000 yen voucher at The Avenue, the restaurant at Chalet Madarao. Or a days ski rental. But many would not be able to claim those.

Getting to ski with me at Perisher in Augest or September is another option. ROFL But we may not know the outcome by then.

Maybe a Chalet Myoko t-shirt.

Happy to have other business owners contribute

Haha, im just kidding ;) I would like to think you'll be at capacity when the country opens! you should be selling chalet Myoko shirts. Thats a pretty cool brand.
 
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