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Opinion Where should we go to next?

Discussion in 'Japan' started by buckcompton, Mar 30, 2015.

  1. buckcompton

    buckcompton Hard Yards

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    Hi all, posted this in another thread a while back but thought id like to get more input;

    A group of us (all intermediate-advanced) are planning on going back to Japan (for a 3rd time) next year. We have done Hakuba that last two times we have been (both times in Feb).

    Im keen to try else where and want to get some recommendations. Ive Shiga-Kogen & Myoko have peaked my interests so far. How does these resorts compare to Hakuba?

    The things i love about Hakuba are;
    1) Numerous mountains close together & easy to get to.
    2) Long runs (8km?) & numerous runs to choose from.
    3) Steep runs.
    4) Restaurants at night/eating out.

    I know Myoko is more traditional Japanese style which could be interesting/different. Is there anywhere else in Honshu that i should research?
     
  2. Vermillion

    Vermillion Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    How long are you planning on going for?
    When you've been to Japan on your previous trips, where did u stay?
    Is your group all males?
    Are you going to hire a car and drive?
     
  3. buckcompton

    buckcompton Hard Yards

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    2-3 weeks. Appx 1-2 weeks of that will be skiing.

    We stayed at The Heidi Hoff (near Echoland).

    At this stage it will be all males (hopefully it is as the females we know are beginner/intermediate)

    We will be using public transportation.
     
  4. Vermillion

    Vermillion Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Cool. That's enough starter info. I dont have time to do a detailed reply now but hopefully some of the other guys can.

    I strongly suggest you look at hiring a car, especially if there is a carload of you guys going.
     
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  5. Born2ski

    Born2ski Part of the Furniture

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    Myoko doesn't fit 3/4 on your list.

    Nozawa Onsen might be the best match. Good size mountain, long runs, heaps of restaurants and if you get bored you can catch a bus over to Madarao or Togari Onsen.
     
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    ojisan station master Ski Pass: Gold

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    This.....

    you can base yourself in somewhere like Yuzawa and have a choice of 10 or more different resorts to choose from within easy 30/45 mins drive
     
  7. buckcompton

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    The idea of driving has never really been considered though id be keen. Though knowing the others, the will not be interested in driving.
     
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    100% hire a car, 6th Japan ski trip this year, first time hiring a car, wish I had done it ages ago, best trip by far.
     
  9. DPS Driver

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    Get a car and get around.
     
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    PMG One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    What B2s said if you're not interested in driving.
     
  11. BobGnarly

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    Hire and stay somewhere around Iiyama, from there everything from Myoko to Nozawa and Shiga are easily within reach in the morning.
     
  12. Vermillion

    Vermillion Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you want a cool town and a authentic Japanese experience, hire a car and base yourselves in Takayama. The surrounding resorts within an hours drive will suit your abilities well, and the variety is pretty good too. There's also plenty of other things to do besides skiing, plus you get to go to a place not many gaijin get to.

    Your other 'out of the way' option that I would suggest would be to base yourselves in Inwarshiro. So many resorts less than an hours drive, you can pick a new one each day.
     
  13. buckcompton

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    Hi All, bit of an update here;

    We are planning our 3rd Japan ski trip for next year, for a little over 2 weeks in February (dates TBC).

    We will be aiming to get return airfares with QANTAS Sale for appx $900-1000 return. This is our rough idea;

    1) Transfer from TOKYO airport to MYOKO KOGEN ski resort
    2) Ski for appx 4 days - 4/5days accomodation depending on transfers.
    3) Transfer from MYOKO KOGEN to SHIGA KOGEN ski resort
    4) Ski for appx 4 days - 4/5days accomodation depending on transfers.
    5) Transfer from SHIGA KOGEN to HAKUBA
    6) Ski for appx 2 days - 2 days accomodation depending on transfers.
    7) Transfer from HAKUBA to TOKYO
    8) Aim to stay near Shibyua for appx 5 nights.
    Depart for home.

    Are you guys able to recommend what would be the best order to visit the ski resorts? Also a rough outline if the bullet train + busses to the ski resorts is feasible?

    Please let me know your thoughts on the above.
     
  14. Donza

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    Order looks fine to me.
    Book with ANA rather than qantas and you will save time (flies into Haneda) and money
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Would just question whether it is worth going somewhere for just 2 days. Regardless of which you pick, I think 2 areas rather than 3 would be better when one of the stays is only 2 days.
     
  16. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Forget 2 days at Hakuba.... It's not in that general area. Go to Nozawa instead
     
  17. JoeKing

    JoeKing Old n' Thrusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah you should have more than two days in Hakuba.
     
  18. JoeKing

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    Snap sandy.
     
  19. Born2ski

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    Agree. @buckcompton why waste the day travelling from Shiga Kogen to Hukaba for just two days when you have so many nearby options. Nozawa, Madarao, Togari Onsen, just to name a few.
     
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    I fear Shiga might not be all you want in terms of après ski

    Be prepared for only a scattering of restaurants and on top of that none of them hakuba like in quality

    Great skiing though
     
  21. buckcompton

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    Only reason we did Hakuba for a few days is because thats where we skied twice previous and its more a 'tradition' now. But youre right maybe we will spend those 2/3 days in Hakuba at Nozawa.
     
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    Well there you go. You've done Hakuba twice, time for a change. Enjoy.
     
  23. Tanuki

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    We've been to Hakuba three times and absolutely love it of the reasons you listed i.e big mountains (scenery), diversity, restaurants and Onsens.

    We've also been to Myoko and Nozawa.

    Nozawa sound more like your deal, though we had some nights out in Akakura in Myoko- it's very small though.

    The lifted terrain at the Myoko resorts was fun and reasonably diverse, but nothing Like Happo, Iwatake or Cortina. More like Thredbo (but better). Nozawa's terrain can be a bit limiting if ur not venturing off piste.

    I'm a bit jaundiced about Myoko as the week we where there was 2 x rain days, whilst Nozawa was snow every day - them the breaks.

    Nozawa has a much more concentrated village 'scene' and it's an incredibly authentic place. I've heard it's a lot busier than even 4 yrs ago when we went.

    The transport you have suggested is doable, but if you do choose to miss Nozawa and head to Hakuba I'd recommend catching the Super Azuza express from Hakuba train station direct to Shinjuku. Beautiful trip and negates the need to get the bus to Nagano - travel time almost equal
     
  24. Tanuki

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    This ^
     
  25. buckcompton

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    Did a bit of research and they are considerably cheaper. They have a good Skytrax rating (if that means anything).

    Looks like we have to change dates to suit other people which means leaving Syd 31st DEC.

    ANA return is appx $1000 AUD
    J* return is appx $1600 AUD
     
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    And it should be full service, plus polite and friendly staff. Just a small contrast with J*
     
  27. blutek

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    You could cut a couple of days off that.
     
  28. buckcompton

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    Hi all - further update and question:

    What do you think snow quality/cover will be in Nozawa from Dec 31-Jan ? Do they usually have the mountain open at that time?
     
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