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Question Where to avoid as a snowboarder?

Discussion in 'Perisher' started by nezumi, May 13, 2019.

  1. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    I should start this by saying that I *have* snowboarded at Perisher before - but that was back around 1999/2000, so I have sparingly little recollection of it.

    I am heading to Perisher in the first week of August with my wife and toddler. Little Mister will be in the Discovery Program, and wife and I will both be taking lessons in the morning at Blue Cow (her as a first timer, me as someone with unearned confidence who is comfortable on blue runs at Falls Creek). I realise that I will spend much of the time snowboarding with my wife on green runs, especially the first couple of days, but I might get a chance to hit some blue runs after lunch.

    With that in mind, are there any particular areas that I should steer clear of as a snowboarder, especially any painfully flat traverses?

    (On the other hand, any recommended runs would be awesome. I'm not a park rat by any stretch of the imagination, so looking more at nice drawn out terrain for carving, or sharp technical snake runs/trees.)
     
  2. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Straight off.
    - Avoid pleasant valley learning to snowboard. It isn't steep enough. The pitch and off camber prevents people from learning to edge and turn.
    - please avoid copperhead road . Its flat, narrow and full of crew riding way too fast and beyond their ability.
    - practice on Tbars. Some of the best learning terrain (and snow) is accessed from T-bars.

    The best places (IMO) for learning to ride and progress are.
    Smiggs. The Duplex T (burke and wills) has the best fall line for progressing in Perisher. Its steep enough at the top. However you can push past that with a bit of falling leaf.
    Happy Valley Tbar- should be less busy this year with the new quad .
    Side saddle at Blue Cow. Great spot to progress.
     
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  3. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    I'm anticipating that, as a blue-to-black learner I will probably be heading to the ridge quad or freedom quad as part of the lessons, and she will start on the pont ride/easy starter double. She has good balance, so there's the definite potential to have a go on some of the Smiggins runs between lunch and toddler collection, especially if the Piper T is running.

    We had the option of lessons in Smiggin Holes, but I decided on Blue Cow for a combination of access after snow school drop off, and convenience to blue terrain for me.

    Hopefully I get at least one afternoon on Mt P proper.
     
  4. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Piper will be running.
    Thats a easy T.

    Link isn't a easy T.

    Smiggs is also my fave spot for beers/lunch.
     
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  5. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Moguls
     
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  6. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    For sure - I was somewhat interested in "Cold shoulder". Definitely *not* interested in "Mogul Matt's" (Or in Toppa's Dream, which took me ages to find on the damned maps, until I looked at the Double Trouble map).

    More likely than not if we are headed back via Piper's it would be to do a few runs in Smiggs before she calls it quits, and I head out on my own until it's kiddo collection time.
     
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  7. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    The bus from smigs back to P is a good option in that case
     
  8. IAB

    IAB A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Perisher.

    I hear Thredbo is much better for snowboarders.
     
  9. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    That may be the case, but Perisher isn't any good for a 3 year old who has his heart set on snowboarding so he can be like daddy - and dropping him off at Perisher to go to Thredbo for the day seems like a bit much! :p
     
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  10. Seafm

    Seafm Too far from the snow Ski Pass: Gold

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    Agreed. Bloody Mary at Guthega is nice as well. Just watch the offload on the quad, it's a bit steep and caught me out last year
     
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  11. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Guthega has some great blue runs for gaining confidence (probably moreso for you than your wife). Left off the Freedom chair to either the fairly steep initial pitch, or past the T-bar unload to the gentler Bloody Mary. Cut to rider's left of the chair above the T-bar load to avoid the big flat spot. You can either play in the trees or stay left to find a nice pitch back to the chair load. Some more challenging terrain unloading to the right of the Freedom chair, but I haven't ventured there yet.
     
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  12. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    That sounds like it could be fun!

    I love the tight turns in trees. I had been eyeing off the double blues off the Freedom chair - it's always hard to gauge runs between resorts (and blues for skiers vs blues for snowboarders?).
     
  13. Seafm

    Seafm Too far from the snow Ski Pass: Gold

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    While I haven't tried all that many runs at Perisher I would say to avoid goats gulley if you're lacking experience, confidence or maybe a bit rusty. The steep drop after yabby flat before the T bar crossing can mogel pretty bad as well as the area after the T bar. I got a very sore shoulder out of it a few years ago.
     
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    Snowfi One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Long trail to get to freedom including an uphill section can make it hard work for boarders (and unaware skiers) esp if windy.
     
  15. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Backwards to the future! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes it pays to carry a fair bit of speed down the hill to the creek crossing to get up the bank on the other side and across the flat at the top of the bank. It's easy to see the bank from a fair distance though, so picking up the necessary speed shouldn't be a big issue for a confident skier/rider.
     
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    Wrong on both counts, especially in the first week of August!
     
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    Perisher home trail can be a pain - flat and narrow -
     
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  18. Chowder11

    Chowder11 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    the snow is a good place to avoid as a snowboarder.
     
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  19. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    Target self-righteous skiers - got it :cheers:
     
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  20. ngdtrh

    ngdtrh Early Days

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    I don’t get the “avoid long flat” area comments as someone who wants to ride blue terrain. If you are a competent intermediate you can get around all areas of Perisher without skating, including across flats, without trouble and assuming you have a decent wax job. The exception to this is getting out to Double Trouble, but it doesn’t matter if you’re on skis or a snowboard, you’re walking or pushing/skating.

    That said, you should be fine in most areas at Blue Cow and Guthega except the marked black areas. Be warned though, getting to Freedom chair from Blue Cow has a long flat run out to it, unless you take Summit and go over the top of Mt Blue Cow.

    I live in the US these days but will be at Perisher for the first few weeks of August, send me a message if you want to link up and I’ll show you how to get around Perisher with ease on a snowboard and some nice tree runs around the place you won’t get into following marked trails :)

    Edit: as for T-bar practice, Telemark from 3pm on without question. Flattest, smoothest, definitely not off camber T-bar track you’ll ever come across. Ok, now I’m just being mean.
     
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  21. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    * the best way to Guthega is neither that flat nor over the back from Mt BC.
    Great open green cruising run. One of the widest groomers on the hill
    However ...i'll prefer it stays unloved.
     
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  22. newman

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    Brumby T bar is popular for intermediate snowboarders. It is a very short run but has a bit of a "natural" terrain park vibe.

    Perisher is spread out over a large area and has A LOT of traversing. You just have to suck it up really.
     
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  23. ngdtrh

    ngdtrh Early Days

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    Trying to think of where you are talking about and can’t picture it without ending up on Guthega Way at some point which flattens off as you get close to Freedom.
     
  24. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    In recent years (when there is enough snow) they groom some runs off PVT that runs below Guthega way . Kinda to where DT can emerge to.
    Depends on that creek as well. How filled in it is.
    You'll probs still have to walk 5 to 20 metres up that slope lowside of Freedom if you don't keep speed. Though i was no worries last year.
     
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  25. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    That's a fair point - this will be my first year actually using my own gear, so there's a good chance that I may be better able to manage the flat sections purely by virtue of having a faster base and waxed board.

    That sounds awesome. I suspect that I will have a few afternoons where my wife actually stays out, especially as the week goes on, but having someone to ride with when she's hibernating is very welcome.
     
  26. ngdtrh

    ngdtrh Early Days

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    Ah right, so you still end up in the lower portion of Guthega Way which is the flat run out (and slight uphill to get under the lift line) I was talking about. It’s perfectly doable without skating, but is still a “flat area” to get there.

    Heh pushed my luck in the creeks in that area and fell into it in September two years ago. Oops.
     
  27. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    So that's partially off the one marked on the map as "Top tip: The best, quickest and most scenic way to Guthega"?
    https://www.perisher.com.au/images/trailmaps/2019/13362_PSR_FA2_WebsiteTrailMaps_Apr19_Guthega.pdf
     
  28. ngdtrh

    ngdtrh Early Days

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    Yeah, they sometimes groom some additional trails off Pleasant View Trail through the trees. While it’s not the steepest terrain, punching through the trees off piste on fresh snow in that general area can be fun. You end up jumping back on to Guthega Way just after Shnaxl and need to keep your speed up to get under the Freedom chair into the lift line. If you won’t make it under the chair, you can go to skiers left before it and there’s a small hill to walk/skate up.
     
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  29. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah its become a thing in recent time.
    If they have enough snow, the Kats push it out wide and smooth.
    I was on freedom one time with a couple of mates who worked as groomers. They were pretty surprised how much Kat time had been dedicated to there.
     
  30. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Or if the line is big..... keep going to the Blue Calf Tbar ...and if that line is big. Go to the Guthega hotel and ask for some chips.... (or walk to the double chair)
     
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  31. ngdtrh

    ngdtrh Early Days

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    Singles line man, works well most of the time on Freedom.
     
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  32. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Funny though. Freedom was way way less crowded last season than usual. Blue Calf on the other hand seemed more crowded.

    *my daughter would freak at me if i went singles
     
  33. ngdtrh

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    It’s funny, I thought the same thing and assumed they had finally bedded in operating it and the users have finally bedded in using it. Maybe people just gave up on the carpet loading and use the T instead :D
     
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    As stated above the Guthega area is probably the best for snowboarding at intermediate level on the whole resort but its a pretty flat traverse to get over there......
     
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    Absolutely the best way into Guthega. If the snow is right you can make it all the way from top of the Perisher quad.
     
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    Plus you get this from the top of Guthega. Father's day 2018.
     
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    So basically hold towards skier's left when coming along PVT around the "T" in "To Guthega" here and follow down in front of the exit from DT? https://www.perisher.com.au/images/trailmaps/2019/13362_PSR_FA2_WebsiteTrailMaps_Apr19_Devils-1.pdf
     
  38. Donzah

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    100% correct
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    A pretty view too.
     
  41. Seafm

    Seafm Too far from the snow Ski Pass: Gold

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    Last day for Guthega season 2018. No complaints from me.
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Avoid Guthega.
    It's icey and windblown as it faces SW.
    It's over-rated & over-crowded as the lifts all bottle neck and often go on wind hold.
    There is a long flat traverse from Blue Cow you will have to walk an uphill section.
     
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    Seafm Too far from the snow Ski Pass: Gold

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    You're just trying to scare everyone away so you can have the place all to yourself;)
     
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    dibl0c coolstorydibloc™ Ski Pass: Gold

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    :D

    Love it. :thumbs:
     
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  45. nezumi

    nezumi One of Us

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    I'll make sure I pass this information on to everyone.
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hey @Donzah .
    Insert YouTube linky .
    HERE.
     
  47. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    :) gee i'm up to 2.3 million views
     
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    Avoid Alta.
     
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    A. nother
    L. ong
    T. raverse
    A. gain
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm going to send this to my mate Izzy.
    See what he thinks about the whole debarcle.
     
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