Who is developing our WC ski racers

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  1. skibear

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    Which club is developing our next World Cup ski racers . The results show we have less regular World Cup racers now than ever.
    The results speak for themselves.
     
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    It’s hardly surprising.
     
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    So many reasons for this. The very first one being that as a parent I would never have put my child into any of the downhill racing clubs or classes purely because the kids we saw out on the mountain in these groups were so rude and had such an attitude of entitlement.
     
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    i think im the same. i just wanna have fun with my kids. if they wanna race, they'll let me know. my kids ski pretty hard, but its family fun for us.

    i have been thinking about becoming the ski-team-dad at the local high school for interschools etc but i suspect my kids just wanna have fun on skis and compete at lacrosse or basketball or hockey or whatever.
     
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    Interschools has become the most visible part of the system, but it's just a race, not a development model at all. Clubs have become displaced by the high visibility of interschools, yet they are more needed than ever. No replacement for weekend sessions to develop skills from age 6 or 7 before intro to racing at 10 or 11.
     
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    It all comes down to cost.

    When it becomes an affordability question you get an even smaller talent pool made of those with the means rather than the skills.
     
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    Cost and commitment is exorbitant.
     
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    Worth doing interschools once to see if they enjoy it. Then decide. yeah or nay.

    One of mine enjoyed them the other hated them.
     
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    Inter schools has been amazing at entry level but after that the pathway falters badly.
    And yes it is high cost so I cannot understand why more parents don’t demand value for money . The coaching level it a lot of clubs is hopeless. There is no substitute for a coach what has raced at a high level. A two week training program does not make a good coach . I see time after time we bring in so called coaches from overseas and when I question them they are not even coaches back home. Austrian clubs would not have a race coach who had not raced at descent fis level . And then when u go higher up ie state teams many coaches have been at least at Europa cup level.
    Well I’m hoping Jono Bauer might make a difference with his new program at Thredbo. Our last regular male World Cup skier and one of our best coaches.
    If we look at the top tennis players most of them have coaches that were very good in their prime. Same applies to skiing.
     
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  10. Seth

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    You are comparing our system to Austria?!?! That is madness.

    It's chalk and cheese.
     
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    Not really comparing. What I was getting at is that I see club bring in For example Austrian or Italian instructors and sell them as top coaches. In many cases they have not even raced at Fis level and do not work as coaches back home as they would never get a coaching job back home without at least fis racing experience at reasonable level. And the parents are conned into thinking they have some great coaches.
     
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    I think most parents are conned into thinking they are POFO’s (parents of future olympians). Every second kid in Jindy does “race training”.
     
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    I was reading an article a few years about a similar problem that the French face and a decline in world class downhill skiers.
    The article seemed to point the finger at the decline of school camps to the ski resorts that started in the early 90s and would give many kids the opportunity to get into skiing at a pretty early age , by the the time they were in their early teens many were accomplished skiers and were pretty quick on the downhill courses, but just needed to bulk out and finely tune their technical skills with world class coaches
    I spent a few winters in the French ski resorts and one in particular was an actual town , and during the winter season most of the young school kids would spend up to 2-3 half days during school time each week skiing , and they started as soon as they started primary school.
    For them it involved a 200m walk from the school to the telecabine and then time to learn and practice.
     
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    Ding, ding, ding.

    We have a winner.
     
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    Kids need lots of skill development before they need competition experience. This is true in any sport. Getting kids on skis early and just bombing around the mountain with some directed skills training is what builds a broad platform of balance, adaptability and comfort at speed. Most national team athletes from the mainline alpine nations are from families that have been skiing-focused for years, probably generations. The kids are on skis at age 4 or so and in some kind of entry level program at 6 or 7. Coaches are volunteers, usually parents, who may or may not have raced. As the kids get older, the programs become partially and then fully race-focused. I know in Canada we consider kids who join a program at age 12 to be late starters and at a disadvantage that only a few overcome.

    What I see in the Aussie system is the near-absence of the entry level programs. The grass roots level isn't there. Club coaches are faced with teaching kids fundamental skiing skills when parents expect to see them hitting gates all day every day. Parents taking kids to interschools for their first taste of racing instead of building the base first, then training gates, then finally going to a race. For the tiny few that make it past this and into FIS and continental cup racing, they meet athletes who have far more ski days and training experience despite their similar ages. Only those with exceptional physical skill will offset this disadvantage and achieve success.

    The challenges are large and require a made in Australia solution. The clear problem is very few families live near enough to a resort for easy, regular access. Being able to ski each weekend and holidays is the only way they'll build skills at a sufficiently early age to make club level training meaningful. The quality of coaching found there will make some difference, but if kids aren't entering the club system with several seasons' mileage, the coach will be able to do little with them.
     
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    Few kids have the advantage of regular season long skiing. There are entry level programs at Perisher, I’m not sure about Thredbo. Every Sunday throughout the season, and then Friday school program. Most local kids and some Canberra kids and a very few Sydney kids do that. It builds fantastic skills. A lot do interschools, many go into the race programs and SSA races and overseas training in summer. By doing so they miss a lot of school and are effectively putting skiing before an education at a young age. Not to mention the cost. A teensy weeny proportion have the talent to make it on the world stage.
     
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    Thredbo hosts (but don’t run) the Thredbo St Moritz Ski Racing Club. It offers a range of race and ski training for kids, from littlies to teens in a much more relaxed manner than, say, the Thredbo Ski Race Club.

    Kids get the same instructor 10 (all day, 8:15 for 8:30 to 3:00 or so) Sundays in a row, and four days in the July holidays. You can also do a double program which is 8 days in the hols and both Saturday and Sunday. This year they are also offering transport assistance through Deanes Coaches (Club prez is a Deane, and former National Level skier).

    My lad did it last year and it did wonders for his skiing, and it’s a nice crowd. It’s about fundamentals not WINNING. I wish he was going again this year but I think the ten straight weekends wore him out!

    It’s absurdly good value for the amount of instruction and time on snow. Families tend to be local(ish) although it’s not a requirement.
     
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    I’m willing to go to Tirol to research successful ski racing culture if required.
     
  19. skibear

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    I see the issue as being between 10 & 19 ie school age and I’ll focused more on boys as girls everything is a few years earlier. Boys are not going to peak till 25 . It a high commitment and sacrifice to go on to 25. So if they reach 19 and are not down to 50 fis points it does not make any sense going on. But we are not getting enough 50 point 19 year olds . So I referring more to elite level . Our clubs are full but the results are not producing the results
     
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    I should add that Thredbo do support the club in a range of ways directly, including provision of a small club room at Merrits, etc, and I think some assistance with pricing. Kids get ski school priority in queues as well as they are with an instructor. This year again there are some well priced lesson offers for parents also :)

    I highly reccomend it as a group.
     
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    This is the right base program, and offered by a non profit so it's reasonably priced; this model works all over the world. But it's just harder in Australia because most people don't live close enough to make it fairly easy and affordable for the family. It would be nice to think that building some hostel type accoms would solve the money problem, but the commitment required for families to drive 4-5 hours every weekend is substantial. We have people at our club that commute up from Vancouver each weekend, so it's not just Aussie families subjected to this. These families prefer the smaller resort (and its lower cost structure) for a place for their kids to develop as skiers.

    I think everyone understands that almost every sport requires commitment in order to excel, right from the grassroots age and ability levels. Families that are serious about competitive swimming or gymnastics can tell you how young those athletes need to start, skiing isn't much different. In Canada, a real barrier to grassroots participation is the ever-present ice hockey. It consumes the nation's consciousness and most kids grow up absorbing hockey culture and dreams of stardom, not to mention being up early for 6 am practice before school and traveling most weekends to go to comp games or tournaments. More critically, it demands the same kind of athletes that would do well on the ski slopes: aggressive, comfortable at speed, good balance, ability to rapidly process situational changes. And it occupies the same time on the calendar as ski season. Past about age 9 or 10, there's no way you can ski race and play hockey too. So a lot of our best skiers are kids who we'll never know about because they chose hockey instead.
     
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    The St Moritz group is awesome. Best entry level program in the country.
     
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    It’s the only one I’ve been associated with but it’s a great, kid focused, great value program, well organised and suppported parents and Thredbo.
    If anyone can find an adult program of that value let me know! My skiing needs it!
     
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    This is one of the biggest issues IMO.

    The other point that hasn’t been addressed is the rise of freestyle and finding accompanying it.
     
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    I agree that the biggest barrier is that not enough kids get enough snow time to ever be competitive.

    Another big issue is how sports funding in Aus works. Focus is on medals, not supporting athletes from sports with high participation or high profile events. They would rather fund a medal prospect in underwater tiddly winks than a skier who is unlikely to make top 20.

    I think it's Norway that has rules about only funding athletes from sports that have more than a certain number of participants. Wish we would do the same thing.
     
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    Ski racing is also in decline in this country in popularity.
    It seems to be a bazillion kids doing Interschools . Beyond that though. ..crickets
     
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    Results brings funding. But that funding only goes to an elite few.
     
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    Snowsports Australia have decided that bang for buck is not in alpine events. They will never dent European, or even North American, dominance. So they have decided to fund freestyle where they are doing OK.
     
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    Well as a parent of a young adult who competed at Noram level, I am happy my child chose moguls and not downhill. But which ever sport you do there are so many roadblocks if you are not ....and I have a really long boring list.
     
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    Some good points made here already which have covered most areas. Something I would add to the general mix is that Australia seems to want to push our youngsters away from hill racing and into the more niche areas of snowsports like moguls , aerials , skicross etc and there is nothing wrong with that but it does drain an already small talent pool even more.
    Something else to consider , as minor as it may be , is that less Europeans/ Scandinavians are immigrating to Australia than maybe 40 - 50 years ago and the skills , expertise , knowledge and experience that came with them has also diminished as a result.
     
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    Does it matter?
     
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    Ski racing - in sheer participation terms and in cultural prominence - has shrunk considerably in the English speaking world. (The Austrians and Swiss especially and other European countries are still mad for it, thank goodness). Through to the end of the 80s, ski racers were the spearhead of marketing for most ski equipment makers. They were the visible embodiment of the entire sport, both recreational and competitive, and those who rose to the top became household names all over the world. Non-skiers from the Boomer generation will recognise names like Killy, Klammer, Nancy Greene, Tomba et al. Then ask if they've heard of Maier, Svindal, Cuche and you'll get blank looks. Those distant days were of course the heyday of highly consolidated mass media when the world really was watching. Only a handful of TV channels to choose from so media exposure easily reached a huge audience.

    Now, as with the media, snow sports are fragmented into niches. The 90s brought snowboarding and by the end of the decade the industry had split roughly into two halves, each with its own marketing strategies. The ski makers seized upon something called extreme skiing as their new marketing vehicle. Scot Schmidt and Glen Plake were now the skiers inspiring kids rather than the top racers. Freestyle had arrived in the mainstream, having been displaced in the rebel sector by snowboarding. The pace of development of niche markets within the industry since 2000 got faster and faster: carving/technical free skiing, new school skiing (park and pipe), 'big mountain' skiing, back/slack country... I've probably forgotten a few more. In amongst all these niches remains racing. It's a specialist discipline requiring specific equipment, venues and training, and is now largely practiced by registered athletes within an organised program. Citizen racing seems now to thrive only in isolated pockets where a combination of local culture, accurate promotion and crap terrain/snow conditions maintains the sport.

    I can't see a return to the old days when the top racers of the day fronted all the advertising and results drove ski and boot sales. I don't think that's a bad thing either, in those days there were only three kinds of skis to choose from: slalom cut, GS cut, and 'recreational' (ie, soft entry level skis mostly purchased by rental shops). The media and most other aspects of popular culture have become just as fragmented into niches as the snow industry. In Canada and the US, racing appears to have settled into a steady state, with athlete numbers more or less stable for over a decade now. Although there are fewer people competing for national team places, it's just as hard as ever to secure one because reductions in team funding have reduced the number of places available. Winning races is just as hard as ever since almost all athletes have access to competent coaching and quality training facilities. We've discussed in these forums several times how freestyle has advantages over alpine in the Australian scene and has become ascendant due to medals won and more compact/less costly venues for training and competition. These are natural, organic developments largely shaped by cultural and social forces external to racing. There's no massive structural deficiency in the sport itself.
     
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    To your first point, we have at best a 16 week season, so the whole "snow time" thing for regular Australians aint gonna happen. Which leaves you with the monied ones, who largely think because they have money, they can buy anything, unfortunately you can't buy talent, desire, discipline, or body type i.e.: the right biomechanics...which for the most part are the things, the kids who are in Australian race clubs lack.
    For the overwhelming majority, its a way to have a term or two off school each year, with the excuse that they're on some "olympic pathway" LOL. Most of them are on a pathway to failing their HSC.

    Some of the AUS ski clubs coaching philosophies are pretty ass about given the 16 week season, imagine sending your kid down to a ski resort for that all important "snow time" to find them in a gym most weekends when they could be having fun on the hill.

    Re: Funding: If you don't like our sports funding model, then you need to get yourself elected and change it :) Its just one of many different philosophies on how to distribute govt money. :)

    But to the person who was commenting about the coaches, the race club I have some experience with has had several ex world cup skiers and olympians coaching over the last couple of years, but you are are right, there are a lot of charlatans in the ski coaching industry, "a fool and his money....." anywho i could write all night about this shit, but.....
     
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    Wow, I reckon I first joined here nearly 20 years ago to rebut posts just like this.

    As the son of a single parent public high school teacher with **** all money but a life long passion for the snow - I missed plenty of school, won state and national ski races, lived, schooled, competed and won races overseas, went to the AIS on one of those pathway programs, didn't quite realise my potential at FIS level (partly funding related), did ok in VCE, earned an honours degree from arguably the best uni in the country, self funded and retrained in another field and now have a career that many people would give their left and or right nut for.

    Get ****ed! :D

    But to be fair, you make very valid points. During my time (which is admittedly a long time ago now) I definitely saw quite a bit of what you both describe.
     
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    Hey my comments are completely evidence based. I am sure there are some nice, polite kids doing downhill. I personally don't know any of them, but I don't know the kids doing downhill so that means nothing. The one gun skier I had a small amount of interaction with did not come from a wealthy family, out skied all the rich kids and was a lovely modest boy.

    Unfortunately the kids you notice are the little shits. If my child had ever behaved how I saw some of these kids behaving, he would not have been skiing.

    The thing I do notice is lots of families being surprised by how different the attitude is in the moguls fraternity to the downhill fraternity.
     
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    Sounds familiar. ;) :D

    We’re actually mostly in agreement - I’m just having some fun and being defensive.

    p.s. I grew up skiing with all the freestyle kids too.
     
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    Good relationship between freestyle and alpine clubs at Apex. Although the freestylers have developed a bad case of cabin envy lately. Which is funny because I'm pretty sure one of the main motivating factors behind our building campaign was admiration/envy of the nice judging buildings they put in a few years before ours.

    The two clubs both represent a mix of income levels but everyone works hard to present strong events and quality training opportunities. Alpine now has a slalom run right next to the moguls site. Pretty cool to see them training literally side by side. Not a very good pic but you can see an athlete snacking gates on the left while on the right the mogul skiers are chopping the landing on the mogul course lower jump.
     
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    I think those kids are reflection of their parents. With interschools coming up I’m sure there will be plenty of race parents examples coming up!
     
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    It's easy to understand the lack of homegrown success in speed disciplines due to lack of suitable terrain and hill space but I've always been surprised we haven't done better on the slalom side if things, Zali Steggall not withstanding, due to the much smaller terrain requirements. Any insights into this would be appreciated!
     
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    Oh they are a breed.
    Lunch time is especially precious ... as is the carparking
    entitlted
     
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    Zali Steggall, although Australian, lived and skied in France during her childhood.
     
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    Zali spent most of her childhood in France. She is not a product of the Australian system.
     
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    Not all of them, but there are some highly prized examples.
     
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    I agree, we should do better in Slalom and when I was racing it was the discipline my coaches and I concentrated on.

    When training in Australia and particularly at Mt.Buller (my home mountain) terrain availability was still an issue. I can't comment on what happens today but back then the majority of slalom training was required to be held on Men's Downhill or the "black" side of the Summit to ensure we had the required pitch. These are popular runs.

    Towards the end of my time racing we were doing the majority of our on snow training prior to the lifts opening to the general public. This usually meant getting towed up by skidoo in the dark and having skeleton staff on to operate a single lift and was only possible (coming at great cost) because the lift company owner's kids were also training. Afternoons were spent in the gym or doing other dryland training.

    In comparison when I was a member of Blackcomb Ski Racing Club our training run to the skier's right of Solar Coaster was steep enough for all disciplines and was closed permanently to the general public.
     
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    Bit late to this discussion. I got plucked out of a school holidays sport and rec camp in jindy into their race program. Started a few years of every weekend trips to jindy.

    Thredbo used to open snow gums for us at 7am, so cold. It was lots of fun competing in the various races, particularly liked the slalom at mother in law at guthega.

    We weren't rich, used to car pool with other families from sydney and got very cheap accom at sport and rec. Got pretty over it once i hit fis level, kids with four pairs of brand new skis each year, race suits, summer training in europe etc. All got a bit overboard. I think all this predated interschools.

    Not sure if this system is still in place. It produced some pretty amazing skiers, many went onto WC, olympics and even the early days of skiercross. Here is a vid i uploaded!

     
  46. Legs Akimbo

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    I suspect that I cannot give too much information for fear of revealing identities without authority, but I know one competitor who has had immense problems with bureaucracy and shifting standards within SA. Politics are rife.
     
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    Understatement of the decade.
     
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    Slalom is like the drummer of a rock band, behind Giant Slalom on Bass, Super G on guitar and Downhill lead singer
     
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    I haven’t watched the whole thing yet but that video is from my time racing. Lots of familiar faces. :thumbs:

    Edit: @PiniPowPow That was one hell of a blast from my past. Cheers! :cheers:
     
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    What a fitting analogy. :D
     
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