1. There's more to this forum than meets the eye!

    We have a vibrant community here conversing about all sorts of non-snow topics such as music, sport, politics and technology. Simply register to reveal all our Apr├Ęs topics or continue browsing and reading as a guest.

    NOTE: This notice may be closed.

    Dismiss Notice

Wholebody for snowboarders

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by bawbawbel, Jul 29, 2019.

  1. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    Ryan Knapton has been demonstrating his carving magic in a full series of softboot youtubes.
    He does not use hard boots, but I suggest that he has been achieving his progress the hard way.
    He is from the "quiet upper body" American school.
    As a result, he has only recently gained full mastery of deep heelside turns. ( From the Russian upper body Plus/Minus exercises.)
    Let me start you on your way to one hell of a heelside.
    Emulate this master of the movement.
     
  2. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    Ryan boards with Katie, and they provide tips regarding what they emphasize to make their boarding rewoarding.
    Ryan masters gravity, but Katie plays with it.
    Ryan looks heavy, while Katie looks light.
    Because they are expert in their own perfected styles, it is inevitable that they end up flatly contradicting each other.
    Ryan : " Try to do nothing else with your upper body "
    Katie : " When I carve, before I subject to my new edge, it's my hand that comes around, and drops real suddenly on that edge, and my body is kind of following it . "
    Katie's fast turns are interesting. She leaves one arm across her body and anticipates both ways with the other.
    Ta Katie, luv yr stuff .
     
  3. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    They both can do a toeside laydown on the wall of a halfpipe. Something special !
    But only Katie advocates the following, which she calls a "finish the turn" exercise.
    It involves going to a flat board for a moment before a drop in using just knee bend and anticipation.
    Feels good, but is it any use to a carving tyro ? Dunno. Could help with getting the arm timing right.
    For the soul boarder, maybe.
    Because as Ryan says; "Of course, I just like to jump from turn to turn."
     
  4. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    8,121
    Likes Received:
    5,390
    Location:
    Snowy Mountains
  5. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    I realize now that Craig's knees together stance could have certain advantages if he was exposed to dregs like I am.
    Where was I ? Forget.
     
    #5 bawbawbel, Jul 30, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2019
  6. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
  7. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    Ah, yes. The question is whether Crackson's post is fun ( chasing of likes) or serious ( deep and detrimental hostility towards snowboarders. )
    We may never know due to the convention that text comments on these technique threads should be mainly complaints about coherence.

    The occasional depth of skier disdain was brought home to me when one deliberately tried to knock me down the mountain on my little rockhopping board.
    He was uncommunicative as we walked up the road together to get some first tracks.
    I thought that he was being gracious when he waited for me to drop in first.
    Ha !
     
  8. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    Ryan's expertise did not come easily. He has a custom 32 cm wide board for his big feet and gradually graduated from 7 meter to 11 meter sidecut.
    Katie's way is easiest.
    Not to go straight to hardboots and dislocate your shoulder.
    He probably has not identified his problem before he eventually has to revert back to fast and brave skiing.
    "My body movements are exactly as per the internet. My board is the latest extreme carver. My boots cost a lot. But now my shoulder is shot. "
    Timing, my laddie.
    Timing !
    That shoulder movement should be rotating your body into the turn, not as an afterthought DURING the turn.
     
    #8 bawbawbel, Aug 5, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2019
  9. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    As the farmer said to the motorist: "Actually, you can't get there from here !"
    "Here" is a carere of frozen upper body skiing, reinforced by ten thousand typical turns.
    Start agen, my fren .
     
  10. parkmonkey

    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 20, 2005
    Messages:
    35,921
    Likes Received:
    14,843
    Location:
    On a wave or mountain face near you.
    That is horrible
     
  11. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    Ryan was so shocked at the universal interest in Canadian Katie's style that he immediately produced an "upper body" video which just demonstrated that he has a big hole in his repertoire.
    It is interesting that Katie's turns are hardly affected when they board with highbacks removed, whereas Ryan crashes constantly.
    So what ? Well, her boarding (surf style) is less dependent on binding perfection. Whatever..
     
    #11 bawbawbel, Aug 8, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2019
  12. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    Ben (Russian) needs you to bend your knees. Sadly, there is no alternative when you make a push-pull turn.
    But, you don't need to bend them so quickly and so much when the body initially turns the board.
    The Body Turns The Board.
     
    #12 bawbawbel, Aug 8, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2019
  13. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    Unbelievable that Ryan gets nuthin from boarding with World Pipe Champion Katie, but there it is.
    "This has nuthin to do with carving" sums up where he is at.
    Buttering, yes. Rotating the board while straight lining the park, yes.
    His toeside laydown, a bit.
    He suggests that "doin this crazy stuff" will just allow you to see who is coming behind you and make you more "balanced on the board".
    So there you go, daddio....
     
  14. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    " When I carve, before I subject to my new edge, it's my hand that comes around, and drops real suddenly on that edge, and my body is kind of following it . "
    Super Boarder sez to me "That is just Crackin The Whip, we all do it."
    No. This ANTICIPATION ONLY if we go to flat board first. Tried it today and it is magic.
    "Cracking The Whip" first entails throwing the arm up, which platforms the tail for you to launch off.
    Different.
     
  15. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2000
    Messages:
    4,298
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    vic
    A common statement is "I snowboard because it is easier on my knees"
    Maybe so, but all the relevant ligaments must be working and none giving up during the day, even with full Whole Body engaged..
    Because you can carve using one ski only, you can fudge a pretty happy turn on two planks when they don't all work too well .

    An issue which often bothers me here is what percentage of readers are even a tiny bit receptive to alternate views from those of the rest of the herd. Am I talkin in a complete vaccuum ?
    For five days now, every news item in the world about a fellow Ozzie has been eliminated from the internet.
    Does that even register ?

    OK. So you didn't ask.
    Published on Aug 18, 2019
    John Shipton (Julian Assange's father) reveals the true nature of Julian Assange. Interesting when you compare the person Julian Assange next to Trump, Clinton, Bush and Obama. 3CR COMMUNITY RADIO - JACOB GRECH / A FRIDAY RAVE / TRANSCRIPT: "Many people elevate themselves to a high position by commenting on the psychological nature of someone who they want to climb over the top of. I think it's nauseating, but Julian he's actually sweet and funny. If you watch the early videos of Julian in the release of the Iraq War and Afghan War cables, you'll see that he's sweet and funny and light hearted. Intellectually powerful, he carries himself as an attractive, young, Australian, Melbourne style man. Which I would think we'd all be very, very proud of him, delighted. He wears checked shirts and you know...anyway, that's his nature. He's also interesting, in as much as that if you speak to him, and he holds knowledge of what your speaking, he doesn't elevate himself to the point of being your lecturer but always has that generous and gentle feeling of an equal exchange of ideas and insight. " -John Shipton
     
    #15 bawbawbel, Aug 20, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2019