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Why Whole Body = Q & A

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by bawbawbel, May 27, 2017.

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Have you mastered the Level One White Out Turn?

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  1. Tried and Satisfied. Ready for Level Two, please.

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  2. Tried and Nearly Died. Not recommended.

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  3. Sort of interested.

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  4. Please stop trifling with my technique !

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  5. Get Thee Hence !

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  1. KL.

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    Styles – Stein, Zen Master Telemark, Anklebiter, Slalom Skateboard Surf (Bow Tie - hand follow hand)/Wedeln


     
  2. KL.

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  3. bawbawbel

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    Ok. But, the burning question: Is this an untele ?
     
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    Posting under the wrong alias. Oooops.
     
  5. Untele-whippet

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    That’d be unalias.
     
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  6. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    True telemarkers got an easy transition to our type of turn.
    Sadly, even so called experts advocate an extended period in a static "down" position.
    Bad boy !
    Even long turns should involve a continuous change throughout.
    Then it is simple to make the inner arm movement a dynamic move.
    Traditional :
    • The non-pole-planting hand is often neglected in this technique.
    • It is important to make sure that it keeps up with the rest of the body : it should be in front leading the torso.
    • This helps to get the body to face down the slope, and to maintain balance and ensure that skis are pressured and edged. "
    Whole Body :
    • To avoid stemming as part of the turn, it should MOVE to the front leading the torso.
    • I will be watching you next season to check your progress towards this goal :)
     
  7. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    It was a pleasure to ski with you. We had fun in the sun and I have made a hard cover for the Allais book.
    We had better recap where we are at.
    You are full bottle on understanding and applying the essentials.
    ( For some here, some confusion arises from the fact that I insist on observing anticipation with reference to the PREVIOUS turn, it then rightly results in being expressed in the NEW turn. )
    Above is the outer arm back movement, which comes more naturally to pole planters.
    The pole touch is retained for timing.
    You should practice both outer arm back and inner arm forward separately while incorporating comma.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    A jump turn in slalom ruins it completely, and yet Allias' Ruande, or Horse Kick turn, put him above the competition at the time.
    How come ? Because he did not jump across by launching off the snow, his movement was forward onto his ski tips.
    Stopping a powerful upper body rotation made the direction change.
    Just sayin"
     
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    Confusion arises because English appears to be your 3rd language.
     
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  10. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    We will check YOUR level of comprehension. Do you follow the following ? :
    "The reign in Speign falls meignly on the pleign."
    If not, the only solution might be to follow me when I ske.
     
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    Have you thought about using crayons. Helps people like Legs comprehend things much easier.
     
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    Good idea. Nothing else has worked.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Rigi Dig ? One way to spell and one way to ski ? The Correct Way ?
    We better refreign from this streign on your breign if it gives you such peign. :)

    Anyway, here is your Christmas Card:

    Wholebody will reign
    On every terreign
    If you let me expleign
    How much you will geign
    And you'll ski like a treign !
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    And your Xmas Xgame of fun skiing.
    Nobody there seems to cere that they are stuck

    in copycat roles . Junior racers, no less.
    Definitely not from NZ, where I have been seen natural style all the whyle.
    A glimmer of light from the dark monoskier, even though his anticipation is left arm only. (the red monoskier is just not having fun in the sun.)
     
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    Hmm. Triggerboy62 has 3000 followers. Worthwhile to get him to see the light, alright !
    He is "ruffly" my sort of speller :)
    But while Ligetti anticipation is staring him in the face, and he quotes him, he bashfully looks at his feet.( "VAULTING" into CROSSUNDER ? nah, try ROTATION ! )
    Have another champagne and look agagne !

    So I look for an actual anticipation exercise in his

    Ah yes! Good Tboy, even if is the very last after 13 exercises to lock up your upper body input.
    Called "The 007", would he mind if I giffed it ? (so important for inspiration of my motelly flock !

    Seen everywhere, but never correctly timed, and without the necessary fast arm movement. Even here, anticipation is poorly demonstrated, occurring during rather than before transition.
    It is, of course, the Erik Schlopy drill. (3 Olympics).
    I better download this original by Eric before it disappears.
     
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    looking good, outside initiation/leading chest/forearm-rotation/hand upward/forward/inward/downward, inside chest/forearm/hand following/assisting outward-rotation/backward, poles pointing backward to get out of the way, even more hand follows hand would be good for even better flow and surfing the snow

    :) Merry Christmas :)
     
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    Wither 2019 ?
    Bah ! Not "wither on the vine".
    Where should we direct our efforts is whatwemean.
    Real skiers are running through the basic EziSki exercises in an afternoon, so it is tempting to tempt them towards KL's
    fully integrated moves.
    What do we need ? Full analysis or youtube "follow me downs" ?
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    FOREARM MOBILITY.
    So much is discussed about the role of the hundred foot bones (which are then imprisoned in a fashionable ski boot ) that we better start revealing how our ARMS can be better utilized for Easy Skiing.
    Rather than pronation and supination of the forearm, we will look at "palm down" and "palm up" situations.
    "Palm up" (center pic) increases the amount of movement available (relative to a stationary elbow), and also it's speed and power.

    Control of your pol must be integrated into the hol move.
    Note the difference between left and right arm movement of Lito's star moguller in that thread.
    This is very relevant to KL's instructions, also.
     
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    Unfinished business finally finished ?
    Remember "Waist Steering" ?
    Gary became a NASTAR 50y.o. Number one.
    He insisted that 8 years of Thai Chi gave him the ability to transfer a "waist" rotation to his skis without involving his shoulders.
    Fifty pages of forum (USA and Germany) failed to lock down the specifics.
    Doing a Bogong does not come naturally to me (my nickname is "Frenzy"), but I have studied all the archives to solve this mystery from hystery.
    HE WAS USING OUR "OUTER ARM BACK" ANTICIPATION !
    Can you spot it ?

    avi to come

    Some of the last posts before EpicSki demise are worthy of your time:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20170113172301/http://www.epicski.com:80/t/149133/hand-and-arm-movement
    Note the OP spelling it out for the eggspurts, dogma is strong...

    "" I'm not killing anyone, nor am I advocating for shoulder based movements.
    I'm pointing out from my observations that skier's arms are rotated towards the new turn before their skis - quite often across multiple disciplines.
    They got there somehow.
    They help to move the COM across the skis. All the dogma in the world about everything needing to come from the feet and legs will not change the fact that great skiers move and use their upper bodies.""

    Great skiers and my kids too.
    I must have superb instructional ability...
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wow! That pic was on my wall for a year when I got my first skis.
     
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    https://gph.is/2Rlmcs4
    looking good, calm, compact, smooth, and stylish
    early forward outside chest/shoulder then early forward outside hip
    outside leads/inward forearm rotation/forward/downward, inside follows/outward forearm rotation/backward/upward
    hand follows hand (bow tie appearance/shape)
    :)

    add pressure/step on the (new) inside/uphill ski (dbski) and you can turn on a dime, even at very low speed, even in variable snow conditions (because both skis are pressured and driven, and the upper body is leading, centered, and balanced over the skis)
    :)
     
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    And it looks like he could do it all day.
    Stability among the chaos. Not the reflexive genius of Wayne Wong, but a style that anybody could study it to their advantage.
     
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    Interestingly, there are times when he doesn’t do hand follows hand and he gets messy but when he does hand follows hand, yes, definitely stability among the chaos. Interesting to see the many different techniques in that group, but they were all working in their own way.

    You can, if hand follows hand (ie outside initiation/transition, inside follows) is not quite flowing for a turn, simply block the outside/forward inward forearm rotation by initiating the next turn with an inside block by a wrist backward flick movement then an outward forearm rotation backward movement of the same hand. Although this is only an interim/survival movement when compared to an outside initiation/inside follows hand follows hand movement. Why interim, well it is really an inside initiation/transition which is a block followed by an inside pulling movement that endeavours to bring the outside chest/shoulder into a forward position (which hopefully occurs) then the outside hip into a forward position (which hopefully occurs). An outside initiation/transition is superior because it is a forward/forward movement that causes the outside chest/shoulder to move into a forward position which is more natural and most importantly, faster, then causes the outside hip to move into a forward position which is more natural and most importantly, faster. Although, and but, not all outside initiation/transition movements are equal.

    With the hand follows hand movement you can imitate a tele movement by simply trying punch the gnome on the top of the head where the gnome is moving further done the fall line ahead of you. This movement will force you bend your knees more to reach the gnome with your outside hand and force/move the outside ski further forward down the fall line to maintain a centred balance over the skis.

    Using the same outside forward forearm rotation and inside backward forearm rotation you can open your hands like you are flying on the snow and simply drive both skis from long turn to long turn (on a nice open piste, on or off piste, is good for this). When you do this, you need to use the inside backward forearm rotation movement to control/prevent over rotation (too much forward movement) of the outside hip, to ensure both skis are being driven equally or nearly equally through the turn and down the fall line. Really good for the wind in the face experience.

    Theoretically, with hand follows hand, you can do a 360 degree turn (downhill/uphill back/downhill), just like surfing. Why, well it is really a movement of the body in relation to the skis rather than the terrain/slope or skis in relation to the terrain/slope. That is the upper body leads and controls the skis not the skis leading upper body and being controlled by the terrain. If the skis lead then the skis will tend to want to follow the terrain. If the upper body leads then the skis will tend to want to follow the upper body.
     
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    Rotation, rotation. Looking good. I am sure nobody will be confused between my wrist twist information above and forearm rotation around the skier's vertical center. Or by relating all anticipation movements to the NEW turn.
    Surfers have the slope moving upward to assist 360s, skiers like Ligeti can compensate for the stationary snow slope by having his body center of gravity move downward. Also note his use of the skater's trick where extra rotary power comes from contracting the radius of arm rotation.
    Luverly !
     
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    Two meters of powder ?
    DPS on her feet ?
    Whatever, just note how the shoulder controulder. :)
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Why can't I "like" my own posts? Like that one..
     
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    Even you have some standards, surely.
     
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    Nah
    I am a bit like Rolf who can't stop himself waving to children.
    If I don't have a booking, I have been known to approach people in the lift line.
    I can identify learners who have lost the plot by the puzzled eyes. :)
     
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    Wow....that's not a comparison I'd be willing to make. Especially since he's been a "naughty boy" again.
     
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    I maintain a one meter personal space with all unrelated kids, especially in photo situations.
    Dunno about that one, but there have been lots of convictions recently based on up to 50 year old "recollections".
    Even in Sweden, there is a 3 year limit to such evidence being considered.
    Could it be that some of this stuff is part of producing a subservient population.
    USA suddenly started using Wind Chill temperatures to back up the claim that "Russians may kill your family if they cut our heating oil supply'. :eek:
     
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    Hmm.. Back on track or we'll get the sack !
    We have discussed the "preturn" (ski pressure produced by a tightening of the old turn while we rotate a preferred part of the upper body in the direction of the next turn.)
    The gnome punch is the ultimate expression of this tightening. Too fast to follow.
    Woops. She who must be obeyed ("I already CAN ski") calls.
     
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    Where were we ? Oh, yes !
    Here is a hypothetical. You would like to post in a forum in a new thread by an oldie: "Is the preturn still being taught ?".
    But this forum's unbending dogma is that all turns must originate from the feet. To suggest otherwise is verboten.
    Typical posts:

    " The pre-turn is elementary in deep snow.
    Hmm... these slarving, carving skis have got things all mixed up!
    What once took a skier, now requires a quiver."

    "So you're preloading the front of the ski, then releasing? I don't really get it."

    "I have no idea what a pre-turn is, but then again, I'm pretty new to the party."

    "I am having a hard time visualizing. Can someone post video?"

    "I'm saying this more for my own benefit as I am just now experiencing it; keeping a strong counter left over from the old turn greatly enhances the initiation into the new one. It really does make it easy."

    "On the telemark side, that same move is called a "trust turn" because you commit your body to the turn and trust that your skis will follow."

    " you can get into your first turn with out any of that, you could even do it on straight ski but most people werent good enough to do it on straight skis."

    " Such a vital move ..filled with enjoyment of snow ..
    You should learn and experience! "

    " Tightening the radius at the end of the turn is one way to get the CoM to start downhill to cross the BoS."

    "If you haven't ever read it, and are interested where a lot of modern skiing came from, read "How to Ski the New French Way" By George Jobert. It is a landmark book in our sport and a lot of it is still very applicable."

    Above post- Yes, the text is excellent, but the large featured illustrations let it down. Ignore them.

    BBB , in the land of one liners.. pls forgive plagairism.
     
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    Video wouldn't embed :(
     
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    This could have been your kid if you hadn't vetoed his natural upper body style.

    His dad probably explained how every turn must begin with a foot initiation.
    He probably responded :
    "That was yesterday,
    And yesterday's gone "
     
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    Kid uses today's ways:
     
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    Yesterday's skier now says "Arms are flailing to keep his balance. I strive for a quiet upper body "
    NO ! They are integral with instant turn initiation. No jump, only pump, chump !
     
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    Q: I am working towards Bob Barnes' "Infinity Move". Do I need to involve your upper body rotations ?"
    A: No, but they will help. You should perhaps work towards achieving it without them. (Too much input !! )
    The Infinity Move can be summarized as always having your feet in the right place by using your stomach muscles for correct fore/aft positioning while your skis describe a horizontal figure eight beneath your Center Of Mass.

    I consider Liquid Feet to be an excellent commentator, he might forgive my reposting of his post for posterity..

    " 1
    chris5, here are my responses to your post in Bold
    I am obsessed with the infinity move. .... Good!
    I do also think about little toe edges but that's about it. Yes, the little toe edge (LTE) is involved.
    ....My question in this is, what is the minimum level of competence needed to achieve the infinity move? Is it railroad tracks? RRTrx are not necessary for doing the "Infinity Move."
    ....By this I mean a virtual 50/50 weighting of the inside and outside ski. 50-50 weight distribution is not relevant for the "Infinity Move."
    ....The pictures and videos always depict level 9 and above elite skiers. Not necessary; I can do it and I'm no Level 9 Elite skier.
    ....Approximately what skill level (1-9) does the infintiy move begin at and what technique should a skier use to reach this minimum level? Let's forget the skill level business and get the technique cleared up so you can learn it.

    1. Do you have upper body/lower body separation? You need to be able to have your skis turn without your upper body turning. Why? Because skiing is a foot-leg sport. You need to motor your turns with your feet/legs, not with your upper body. Allowing your skis to turn without involving the whole-body will improve your balance and open up the possibility of short radius turns on all terrain.
    2. Do you have angulation? You need to be able to create edge angles by shortening one leg and lengthening the other, while keeping the upper body upright (not tilted, not banked, not leaning in). Why? You need to motor your turns with your feet/legs, not with your upper body. Tipping your skis without involving whole-body lean will improve your balance and open up the possibility of short radius turns on all terrain.
    3. Got those two? Now work on your short radius turns. Why? Because feeling the "infinity move" do its thing is easier when doing short radius turns. You'll be able to feel it clearly when it kicks in. There will be no lack of certainty.
    4. Before Bob called this the "Infinity Move," I thought of it as moving your feet in a "Sideways Figure Eight" beneath your hips/upper body. Does that make sense? When sliding, one can slide those feet in all kinds of directions, because they aren't stuck to the ground ... as long as the upper body is not turning and tilting along with the skis (thus #1 and #2 above).
    5. When you've got the short radius turns with separation and angulation, start paying attention to where your two feet are relative to your hips as they slide around under your hips/upper body. Constantly being aware of this is essential; you can train yourself to pay attention. Make short radius turns, and pay close attention to the location of your feet; do they stay downhill of the hips at the end of the turn? Do they go out to the side of the hips at the middle of the turn? Do they stay under your hips the whole turn? Just pay attention.... No fair looking; do this by Braille.
    6. Next, work on fully completing your turns. Make your skis turn to point totally across the hill at the end of your turns. Work on doing this consistently in your short radius turns, while paying attention to where the feet are in relation to the hips above them.
    7. Now start working for the prize.... Bring your inside foot back up under your inside hip as you complete your turns. Do not let it stay downhill of your hips, not even a tiny wee bit downhill of your hips. How? Do this by shortening that inside leg and tipping that inside foot/ski more and more to its LTE. Shorten that leg to bring that foot up under you. You may turn it as well to head back up the hill under you. This movement pattern is essential. Feel it happening, and feel how close the foot comes up under the hip above it.
    8. You will find that the outside foot/ski also comes up under you along with the inside foot/ski, as the turn is completed. When those two feet are heading back up under you at the end of the turns, they are following the path of one lobe of the Sideways Figure Eight/Infinity shape. You are doing it, sorta.
    9. Time to hit the jackpot: "over-complete" your turns. Do this by bringing both feet back up under your body so far that your hips and your whole upper body end up, by default, downhill of your feet. It makes sense to call this "Over-Completing" the turns. If you are able to track where your feet are relative to your hips, you'll know when you are doing this... no fair looking; you'll fall on your head.
    10. When your feet get above your body (technically, your center of mass) on the hill (even a tiny wee bit), you'll topple onto your new edges without having to do anything else. Your body will have crossed over your skis without you moving it there; the skis will consequently tip onto new edges. Your Sideways-Figure-Eight-Infinity-Move will have initiated your next turn simply because you "over-completed" the last turn. Your feet will have followed one lobe of the Infinity-Move-Sideways-Figure-Eight path. Repeat as you link short radius turns, and you'll feel your feet moving along that Sideways Eight underneath your body quite clearly. A similar version applies to medium and long radius turns, but it's not as dramatic to feel as you are learning it.
    11. This is what Bob calls the "do nothing" initiation. You didn't initiate anything, you simply completed the last turn. (I think he used that phrase....)
    12. The first time this works, hold onto your socks. You will be surprised at the sensation. That next turn will happen lickity-split fast and unexpectedly, because you didn't make it happen the usual way. Enjoy!

    Now, I may be totally embarrassed by Bob posting that I've go this totally all wrong. It works for me this way, nevertheless.

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    Look at it as mogul skiing without the bumps. There must be a dynamic push forward of your feet from your stomach , then the slope will push them back under your body as you edge your skis in front of you.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Q. Do Interskiers use anticipation ?
    A. The Canadians do.
    Q. How so ?
    A. Bringing your outside arm forward is of no consequence unless you then bring it sharply back, timed with transition.
    The old pole plant will do this, in a fashion.
    The new pole touch is better as it does not rely on snow surface shock, which needed the pole to be placed forward.
    But you have to do it yourself. Note the outward arm movement, to increase the torque.
     
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    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    The other interesting development is in the Japanese adoption of the Korean "Four Joint Method".
    Top of the turn involves leading with hip rotation, which is then stopped at the half way point.
    Looks nice (specially the girls ):

     
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    Ring a bel ?
    Sure nuff, that is Ligeti's anticipation style.
    Nothing to it, once you admit that nobody can rotate their hips without rotating their shoulders.
    A great steat to be in ! The whole population progressing to earlier timing and cross through transitions gotta make them take the kake at the olympics.
     
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    No ?
     
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    Team Bears observe similar technique at kittens when trying to get to the bar for drinks....

    Rolling those shoulders and bouncing a few over energetic bunnies out of the path of travel.
    A lot of serious training must have been undertaken to acquire that level of proficiency !

    Team Bears are sure to share this video clip with the strippers at our next visit .
    We will seek counsel with the tiny waitresses that are currently adopting rabbit like techniques to get through crowds of patrons as they bring the tray to the little bears.We will explain the shoulder rolling technique and arm movements to move the consolidated mass of patrons doing random physical procedures!

    Excellent work bbb!
     
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    Amazing how he manages to keep his head so still!
     
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    The chase is on !
     
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    Q. Should we holiday in South Korea then, to add Upper Body movement to our technique?
    A. No, this is the font, right here.
    Always wanting to have you happy, the tourist instructors teach a bit of every possible style of skiing, and you choose the one that suits you best.
    This drill is the Reverse Snowplough. You hold the pose for 30 seconds with your eyes shut. By crossing your poles, you will avoid crossing your skis.
    The next step ? " Pflug Bogen (Basic turning keeping the A-shape)"
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjJzv23mIjiAhXj6nMBHXNIDlkQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https://www.funtastickorea.com/en/prod/basic-free-and-easy-vivaldi-park-resort&psig=AOvVaw0GuJWbzVRS81-OsM9zlMNZ&ust=1557276272251796
     
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    Mr T knows all about upper body technique....he has been doing a brush cutter work out!