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Question Wild horse removal Bogong High Plains

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Chaeron, Jan 22, 2018.

  1. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Perhaos we need some Americans and their guns!
    They are proficient in massacres!
     
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    Except they aren’t shooting their feral horses either & it’s a monster problem.
     
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  3. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Those Americans shoot at anything.....we just need a few parties of them constantly on the Highplains with pictures of horses without riders!

    We certainly don’t want monsters up there too!:whistle:
     
  4. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    I saw quite a few feral horses on the loose near Mt. Hotham airport or thereabouts when I was driving from J.B. Plain to Omeo last month on the Great Alpine Road. Those f*ckers were right nonchalant and all . Shoot the lot of them and make them into Bihari kebab.
     
  5. Xplora

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    You first with the kebab. Oops, forgot you were vegetarian. Those horses have been around the Hotham airport for many years but the management plan extends to removal of horses almost to (maybe even including) there. They are very quiet and I am surprised nobody has just thrown a rope around them. Just waiting for the Federal court to make a decision.

    I tried posting some comment on the ABA Facebook page but it was deleted each time. Their pages are full of flawed stats and pseudo science. Apparently 84% of Victorians do not want the BHP or Barmah forest horses removed. Not sure how they surveyed enough to get any sort of figure. I would love to have one of these bleeding hearts get on this forum and debate (respectfully).
     
  6. Undies

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    84% of horse owners surveyed...
     
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  7. Xplora

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    I would have been in the 16% of horse owners who said get rid of them but you would actually be surprised how many horse owners do not want ferals running free. I see it as a danger when I ride my own horse in their territory and I know someone who lost two mares on BHP to ferals. In Jan 2003 (when the fires started) I met a stockman tending the last of the cattle who showed me the teeth marks in his saddle from a feral stallion. Think you are right though, survey done through a member base and then some algorithm applied.
     
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    I led a group out to Blue Waterholes from Long Plain gate on the weekend. There is now a horse trap at Blue Waterholes camp ground. Presumably it will only be there for a few weeks until the gates reopen. It’s a start at least...
     
  9. Xplora

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    Was the trap sprung ready or chained open? New traps are usually locked open with a salt lick for a while to encourage horses to come in and feel comfortable. If it was sprung ready then it has been there for a while. Good idea for people coming across traps to keep clear though as your scent will remain for a while.
     
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    Couldn’t say. I didn’t go near it. Just snapped the photo of it from where I was standing between Nichols and Clarke gorge.

    I was made aware of the trap by a ranger 5 mins in to the walk on Long Plain road. It wasn’t until the day after when we arrived at blue Waterholes that I glimpsed it.
     
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  11. Xplora

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    Well done. It is understandable for people to be inquisitive and look closer. The horses there are probably very used to human smells anyway. Parks Vic had a trap at Ryders hut and that was regularly visited. Once a trap is set, it has to be monitored daily. They are trialing some remote sensors that cut out the drive each day for what inevitably leads to an empty trap. That would cut the cost down.
     
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    Free horses, 5 at a time. :confused:
     
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    They will be killed in the rush of brumby fans who want a bit of iconic on their own properties.
     
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    5 at a time in a major drought ....
     
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    Has anyone asked Clag?
     
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  16. Xplora

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    The next step is to work out what happens when nobody comes forward. Does trapping only start if homes are available? I would assume the person tendering cannot chose which five they want. Hope Cochrane puts his hands up to take some. Would have to check out the guidelines but there could be some money to be made by shipping them off to the abattoir.
     
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    That was my thought. Sell or dispose sounds like it covers a lot of ground. Reminds me of a fred dagg piece about uranium only being sold for peaceful purposes. He claimed that putting it on a boat was a very peaceful purpose.

    That said, culling in the park would have to be much less distressing for the horses than being captured and shipped to the abattoir.
     
  18. Xplora

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    Everyone knows that trapping and transport is stressful. The bleeding hearts will then try to stop the transport because of this and think that will mean the horses can stay in the park. Sometimes the horses have to be winched onto the stock crate. I have enough trouble teaching my horses to load on the float. We only use the float a couple of times each year so every year we have to accustom them to the float but it does get easier. Can't imaging a feral walking quietly up a ramp. I also think they will be lucky to trap 5 at a time and then what happens. Delivered to your door or do you have to pick them up from a holding compound? I think someone should sell tickets to watch the show. People are going to need good fences. All I see is carnage. On second thoughts, I would not want to watch this. Good headlines. "Rehomed wild horse destroyed when caught in fence trying to escape"
     
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    The 5 beast stipulation is very interesting. I would love to know the behind the scenes machinations on that show stopper.

    There would be very few outfits that will take 5 horses for training and rehome and the primary outfit is currently under siege from the local brumby supporters group and their Facebook support crowd.
     
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    So it’s all going to auger.
     
  21. Xplora

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    Five could be the number they can fit in the stock crate or truck at any given time. Deliver to the new home and see ya. Good luck, not my problem anymore. There is a limit on the time a horse can stay in the stock crate for transport so homes will have to be close enough to be within well within that time. It will be an impossible exercise but I think NPWS are already aware of that.
     
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    I wonder what they do if they catch 6.............let that 6th one go?
    Maybe Cochrane takes the excess?
     
  23. Xplora

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    In Vic, Parks are using contractors to do all the trapping, loading and transport. Logical, as you need people with considerable experience handling difficult horses. Although they are bound by humane ethics, I know the methods used are far from 'low stress'. Drugging horses would be an option but by law you need a registered Vet to do that. I don't have any contact with the NSW people but do have regular updates from BHP. The ranger running the show said he may call in soon so I can quiz a bit more about their plans. Trapping operations on BHP should start soon as well around Nelse.
     
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    From a mates FB page. He was canoeing with a school group through Barmah NP this week. Relocate the BHP horses to the Murray and have just 1 area of feral horses rather than 2!:out:
     
  25. nezumi

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    I'd rather ride one of those than a feral horse, but I'm still guessing wrong thread?
     
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    @currawong ????
     
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    :oops: have moved it
     
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    I found this interesting article the other day https://vnpa.org.au/feral-horses-end-up-in-court/
    Written by Phil Ingamells from the VNPA. I know VNPA can be very one-sided when reporting the facts but certainly there are some facts here which wonder why so much time and money has been spent on a stalling program. Arguments at law that the horses are part of the mountain vista comes across very much like some straw clutching. The argument is that, as a National Heritage place, aspects of heritage must be protected and this included the horses. They are part of our pioneer history and folklore. Cattle and cattlemen are also part of this but are not longer present. The memory is still preserved. I would have thought the court ruling would have been out by now. The Australian Brumby Alliance is looking to raise $200K for scientific research. So far it has about $2000. Now that would be less than $2/person who attests to be a follower of the group. The ABA group are also angry about the trapping starting now in KNP. It is foaling season and there is a significant risk to young foals or heavily pregnant mares. Apparently there is opportunity to take fewer than 5 horses but you have to go through one of the recognised bleeding heart associations. Blue Waterholes will be closed while trapping is on.
     
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    NSW government needs to be shot!
     
  32. Xplora

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    The horses on Barrington Tops are also responsible for spreading the phytophthora root rot.
     
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    So what do folks say when they spread it to farms?
     
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    Cane toads, rabbits , carp and foxes are also part of Australia's history and heritage.
     
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    But I'm not wanting them protected either "for old time's sake". The horse removal needs to happen to preserve the unique alpine environment. That's the heritage that needs to be valued, not the imported pest animals.
     
  36. nezumi

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    Hey, they're a national icon!

    They should just be rehomed.
     
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    Along with the millions of ex race horses that now need to be rehomed.
     
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    or setup a kabab shop in Jindy....
     
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    A national icon amongst a few thousand loud social media voices. Wild horses are everywhere and everywhere they are the local brumby group claims connections to war horses and iconic heritage hoo ha.

    There is only one dog on the tuckerbox .... and he is made of bronze and sits in a car park
     
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    Sure, but it's probably easier to rehome race horses than NSW MPs.
     
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    deer control operations on BHP from 16-21 Nov, in area roughly bounded by my beauty, hotham and shannonvale. the park is open but there might be restrictions in some areas. more sessions planned for later
     
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    You may notice a large pod near Cleve Cole hut. I was chatting with one of the pro shooters recently and they are dropping a pod with supplies to CC so they can do operations on Mt Bogong over this summer. No guns or ammo in the pod. Their plan is to walk in from Ropers. Not sure if he meant the hut or the spur. I suggested Granite Flat spur would be better. He is not a bushwalker. Horse trapping around Nelse should be starting again soon. Will find out more this weekend.
     
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    Met an interesting lady today. She owns the stud we are getting our next horse from and used to live in the Bundara Valley. Knew many of the old timers including Charlie MacNamara. She said that Charlie would leave his gate open on to the High Plains and the ferals would make their way down when winter started and onto his place. He would shut the gate then call a friend to round them up and truck them out to the knackery. Made lots of money off them. Any wonder numbers were never high on BHP.
     
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    Just worked out that one of my patients wives is very active in the ABA Facebook page....after hearing him rabbit on about the brumbies they had rehoused to their property in central Vicco!

    A
     
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    But the feral lovers will obviously take as many as they can.... yeah right

     
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    Reality.
     
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    All the horses at the Echuca sales were evidently sold
     
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    I wonder how much for and for what purpose?
     
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