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Discussion in 'Mt Buller' started by Hunter, Aug 14, 2018.
Never to be ?
If so why not ?
Grimus is next on the agenda, permission has been granted to move the load station 25m or so up the hill so the McLauglins exit would come out behind the queue, and a full rethink of Howqua is after that.
They would have preferred to do these before BB1 but their hand was forced due to the maintenance situation.
In your opinion do you think a lift will ever be installed ?
They have had a long time to think about what has for decades been the missing tooth in the lift infrastructure
Wouldn't adding howqua to the run make it more difficult for progressing low intermediates? Most of my buller skiing was done a beginner and intermediate. I recall howqua being a fair bit steeper than skiers' left of summit. These days everything seems to be about the new skiers. Would they really move the load to a place that deterred the easy blue skiers? Or do they just spend their whole day on LBS?
Of course they will, both lifts are key and also getting old so a bit of a reliability headache.
But the next big expenditure will be the dam and increased snowmaking which is orders of magnitude more important.
Shakes Knees is a great easy blue run, with snowmaking and a relatively new lift.
when i was a buller skier LBS did not exist and shakey knees tended to be a mix of mud and slush.
Which means Boggy will go, so a more reliable Grimus is more crucial.
QUOTE="CarveMan, post: 3663222, member: 1720"]Of course they will[/QUOTE]
If it did come about, where roughly do you think would be the alignment ?
All I know is there is going to be a full rethink.
When I was a bit younger and far more gung ho, I used to love skiing Fast One, it's one of the steepest lift serviced runs around and a fall could mean an extended tumble. But being young, I thought I was bullet proof. But even the young Bogong was wary of Fannys Finish, which has metaphorical signs saying "Danger" painted all over it that are visible even to people under 30. So I was always careful when I skied there.
Putting a lift on an alignment from the base of Howqua to the top of Summit would encourage far more people to ski those runs and many people are even sillier than I was when I was a kid. I suspect the result would be carnage on a regular basis, and that is the last thing Buller would want. So better to have the existing arrangement where skiers have to take two lifts if they want to ski those runs.
The main dilemma is not Howqua, it's the Summit chair.
Due to Family, Chute, Boomerang etc, Howqua needs to stay in it's current alignment, a high speed 6 would be the best option if the budget allows.
The question remains whether to keep the Summit chair and maintain the 2 lift lap of Fast One/Fannys etc or whether there's room down there to add another lift that goes straight to the top and pull out Summit.
But then if you want to ski an easy blue you would need to ski the Summit fence line then cut across to Family, intermediate skiers could end up with a rude shock if they veered right and ended up on Howqua Exension.
How much room is there at the bottom of Koflers T bar to have a blue run from Summit down to the bottom of Koflers that joins up with Chute, which would then provide a path for intermediates to get from the top of Summit to the potential new chair at Howqua?
SK/Emirates/Fox whatever it's called now is a much better alternative that skating all the way across to Summit/Howqua. Its implementation really takes away the need to keep Summit blue all the way to the load. The only issue with Howqua is the very bottom section anyway.
Cool story. Times have changed, did you know Federation is now a chairlift, not a rope tow?
Make it all black and be done with it. New Grimus load would take care of intermediates.
I have heard things about how the wind rips up Howqua may be an issue for any lift based at the current Howqua load going on a NE/SW angle up to the current Summit unload. The wind is part of the reason why there are no A/T snowmakers up there.
If you did that you'd need to provide snowmaking on that run, because Chute/Boomerang etc get hammered by arvo sun, the bottom sections are always scummy as opposed to Family Run and Howqua.
Especially if grimus has a new chair and the new dam means reliability through extended snowmaking coverage similar to the Shakey Knees improvements
Can you expand on why? Surely a lift from bottom of Howqa to current summit top location, still allows for long blue runs from summit, to chute boomerang etc... They can even keep the koflers ( though ideally replaced with a chair) if required,
I dont get the need to keep Howqua the way it is?
EDIT: added the summit and howqua chairs in blue
Not sure how well it works without Howqua chair, maybe you could get back to Baldy along the green line??
It's a bit of a traverse over, and you would have to stick with the Summit fenceline.
Also a fair bit of a traverse. And asking for trouble during a white out.
Edit: That's where the dam is going.
The last time i skied Buller was after a long break and I couldn't remember the layout, coming down from the top of summit in the whiteout with decent breeze blowing and knowing I needed to stay left but was blown to the right ended up quite character building.
I like how Alexg's lift goes further down the hill than Howqua does. That would enable Chutes 1, 2 and 3 as well as Main Street to be lift serviced runs, if people don't mind a bit of shuffling along the top of the West Ridge.
That's not a good thing. It's not good on so many levels.
I know, but it's fun to dream.
This thread needs more VSG crayon
This cannot happen in my lifetime. There's a very special colony of pygmy possums right in the middle of that lift line.
There's a reason why that area is clear of trees, and putting a lift at the bottom of that would be a really dumb idea.
I'm not sure if Vermillion is saying that there is a block stream there or the area has its trees removed by avi's? I've seen a few avalanches, but never one on Buller. However Vermillion knows Buller a lot better than I do, so whatever the reason I'll take his word for it.
Avalanches, pigmy possums - you name it, that area is teeming with hazards.
Lack of snow....
Not to mention the cornice is only about 10cms wide in a good snow year, so you'd have to traverse on foot from the hut, which isnt ideal for kids with toboggans and the like. They'd also need to put in orange poles so you didnt get lost in the fog and slip and fall and break your arm on a rock.
I'm all for a rope tow up that line. No handles. Self-limiting.
Any lift to the top of summit can only replace the summit lift, not Howqua imo. Howqua will always need a lift on the current alignment to get bodies back to Bourke. Summit to Bourke is simply not skiable for kids and boarders.
Perhaps a half measure is to replace the tee and summit with a six seater from bottom of the tee to top of summit. Does not help Fast One or better skiers. Also would need a new green grade slope through chute/boomerang to bottom Howqua.
I'm telling you guys, there's some super special pigyms in there that cant be moved, touched etc so it's not gonna happen. Unlike the ones at Federation these werent put there by festy tree-hugging greenies either.