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One day you'll realise that while park is fun, the worst thing that has ever happened for pipe/slopestyle is their inclusion in the olympics.
Yeah I wasn't into the park scene 4 years ago. Only skied with my old man and didn't have much time on snow.
But I do realise the glory days of park riding was in the 2000's. Tall Tees and OG edits. Guys on NS say there was a time in skiing if you seen another dude on the hill with twin tips you were instantly best friends. But hey, these guys have gotta make money.
 

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Yeah I wasn't into the park scene 4 years ago. Only skied with my old man and didn't have much time on snow.
But I do realise the glory days of park riding was in the 2000's. Tall Tees and OG edits. Guys on NS say there was a time in skiing if you seen another dude on the hill with twin tips you were instantly best friends. But hey, these guys have gotta make money.
Lol wut
 

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there was a time in skiing if you seen another dude on the hill with twin tips you were instantly best friends.

The tele / back country community is still like this! Although there is a proliferation of wannabe’s kitting themselves out with bc bindings to look like the ski back country.
 
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Mate if you don't know what any of that means you shouldn't comment on slopestyle being in the olympics.
Yeeeah, right. I was riding park in the 2000's. Back when every dirt bag and his dog was camped up in Queenstown/Wanaka over winter and Danny Kass was getting done for drink driving on the Cardrona access road. I know what it means. I've also watched competitive freestyle events, and competitive snowboarding in general, get completely undermined at the grass roots level in NZ by FIS influence. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the winter Olympics, and it is the pinnacle for alpine skiing etc. But snowboarding and freestyle skiing largely evolved as a revolt against this approach to alpine sports. i.e., just go and have fun, and be creative. Do you know what the Quarterpipe world champs were? That used to epitomise the competitive side of things. Now it's just this sterile tv friendly shit. The FIS definitely contributed massively to effing the original NZ Snowboard Association over back in the day (we had no national body for years following), then when they realised they needed snowboarding again they cozied up to everyone etc., but it took them years to actually build decent pipes (and is it just me or are a bunch of the takeoffs on the slopestyle course mega flat?).

Do you know about Terje and Nagano? Go and read about that. Freestyle snowboarding and skiing have/had a completely different ethos to the olympics. Which is great. There's no reason they both shouldn't co-exist, but the olympic thing has really fcukt the competitive side of these disciplines, they still haven't recovered. If the IOC had the balls to run a jam format, that might change things, and really see progression from more riders. The commentators so far sure are talking a lot about how riders don't need to pull out their best tricks. WTF?

As a complete aside, I think there's a good reason that banked slalom has bizarrely evolved as a massively popular mass participation compe
 
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Yeeeah, right. I was riding park in the 2000's. Back when every dirt bag and his dog was camped up in Queenstown/Wanaka over winter and Danny Kass was getting done for drink driving on the Cardrona access road. I know what it means. I've also watched competitive freestyle events, and competitive snowboarding in general, get completely undermined at the grass roots level in NZ by FIS influence. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the winter Olympics, and it is the pinnacle for alpine skiing etc. But snowboarding and freestyle skiing largely evolved as a revolt against this approach to alpine sports. i.e., just go and have fun, and be creative. Do you know what the Quarterpipe world champs were? That used to epitomise the competitive side of things. Now it's just this sterile tv friendly shit. The FIS definitely contributed massively to ****ing the original NZ Snowboard Association over back in the day (we had no national body for years following), then when they realised they needed snowboarding again they cozied up to everyone etc., but it took them years to actually build decent pipes (and is it just me or are a bunch of the takeoffs on the slopestyle course mega flat?).

Do you know about Terje and Nagano? Go and read about that. Freestyle snowboarding and skiing have/had a completely different ethos to the olympics. Which is great. There's no reason they both shouldn't co-exist, but the olympic thing has really ****ed the competitive side of these disciplines, they still haven't recovered. If the IOC had the balls to run a jam format, that might change things, and really see progression from more riders. The commentators so far sure are talking a lot about how riders don't need to pull out their best tricks. WTF?

As a complete aside, I think there's a good reason that banked slalom has bizarrely evolved as a massively popular mass participation compe
Heres the response I was looking for. Cheers.
 
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I guess it would of been better when no one knew what slope style even was.
It's also pretty embarrassing having all these other events on the same level as slope and pipe.
 

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@Donzah might have thoughts?
My thoughts are evolving. We've got good friends in the freestyle snowboarding scene in perisher. It's a discipline now.
I see park/pipe as competitive outlet . However I see the soul of snowboarding as BC and pow.
It's similar in surfing.

The whole FIS thing.. .It's not as much of a thing anymore. The riders pretty much shun FIS events. .. Except those needed for Q
 
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I guess it would of been better when no one knew what slope style even was.
It's also pretty embarrassing having all these other events on the same level as slope and pipe.
What other events? There's no denying that pretty much everyone at the top level of the olympics has attained a high level of athleticism (even if they are scored on points). No one is doing shit that any old mate can rock up and do. Curling is fuckin hard work.
 

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What other events? There's no denying that pretty much everyone at the top level of the olympics has attained a high level of athleticism (even if they are scored on points). No one is doing shit that any old mate can rock up and do. Curling is ****in hard work.
Not saying they're easy.
 

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Back to the skimo thing. Reckon it could be cool, but would it be a bit like artificial white water courses? Man made snow and carefully placed boulders?
 

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I do kinda have this weird idea that Olympic sports shouldn't be stuff people do for "fun".
At the end of it all, it's all fun. There is a very small subset who decide to take the fun in a different direction called competition.

I like that so many of the freestyle folk and boarders at the Olympics seem to be genuinely good friends. They are having their version of fun with their mates.
 
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I think the Candian snowboarders in slope style really summed up the different approach, one very clean cut individual talked about working out his moves by practicing them on the trampoline, then water jumps before taking them to the snow, the other a slightly shaggy fellow, just liked setting up jumps in the back country with his mates and ripping it.
 
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The stuff the boarders are doing in slopestyle and halfpipe is awesome, who gives a crap about the politics of the past and that its judged, just appreciate it for being super talented.
I love the DH, SG, GS and SL but slopestyle and the cross events have been fantastic additions to the games
 
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The stuff the boarders are doing in slopestyle and halfpipe is awesome, who gives a crap about the politics of the past and that its judged, just appreciate it for being super talented.
Not really tbh. Slope was underwhelming. No one attempting to slide a whole rail, the course looked challenging, kind of like me trying the hit the bigger features in a standard park. Hope the skiing is better.
 

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Not really tbh. Slope was underwhelming. No one attempting to slide a whole rail, the course looked challenging, kind of like me trying the hit the bigger features in a standard park. Hope the skiing is better.
Not really? Wow, you must be incredible if you dont think that standard is awesome. Why slide a whole rail when there are other features to line up for ?, its not a rail comp.
 

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Not really? Wow, you must be incredible if you dont think that standard is awesome. Why slide a whole rail when there are other features to line up for ?, its not a rail comp.
yep
I think it's fairly impressive, both the course and the performances
interesting how it appears to have varied with the weather - that wind must be a bugger
 
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Not really? Wow, you must be incredible if you dont think that standard is awesome. Why slide a whole rail when there are other features to line up for ?, its not a rail comp.
Why do I have to be incredible to comment. The standard was low. The winning run didn't have one spin onto rail, one switch up, a maximum of 2 out. Yeah the jumps might of been sick, a triple 14 which looks entirely stupid. I predict E-DOLLO will win the skiing without even tripling, just a dub 12 that looks so much better and stylish.. But he will perform on the rails so much better than the snowboarders and other skiers.
 

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Back to the skimo thing. Reckon it could be cool, but would it be a bit like artificial white water courses? Man made snow and carefully placed boulders?

@Red_switch - Admittedly It’s already a bit like that in some of the current certified races, but not in others

compare these skimo sprints

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There’s a place for both - think 3000 metres vs. marathon.

Unfortunately I think the short form will get up first. Unfortunately the competitive form which can be judged has to be standardised so that one can generate a comparable set of results with rankings, course length etc.

Frequently we’re watching the ‘pure’ abstract version of a sport when we’re looking at competition - think hurdles on a track vs. trail running as an analogy.
 
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Why do I have to be incredible to comment. The standard was low. The winning run didn't have one spin onto rail, one switch up, a maximum of 2 out. Yeah the jumps might of been sick, a triple 14 which looks entirely stupid. I predict E-DOLLO will win the skiing without even tripling, just a dub 12 that looks so much better and stylish.. But he will perform on the rails so much better than the snowboarders and other skiers.
You sum up the problem with so many judged events. Over the years, competitors dial in on what the judges are looking for and almost all of them aim for perfectly executed versions of 'safe' moves relatively lacking in risk. Occasionally comes a disrupter who nudges the standard up with something edgy, which eventually becomes part of a revised version of the standard program. Rarely is true risk rewarded. Look at womens moguls, all the medallists hit the same boring airs: upright 360 followed by back iron cross. They're all capable of more difficult jumps but in serious competition they play safe. The girls who took a chance didn't pull it off and so the safe move strategy is reinforced.
 
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Loving Scotty James red Mitts, is this a play on the boxing Kangaroo?
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It was a style he endorsed from last season. (made by grenade gloves)
It become a trademark.
so the AOC (approved) made him a pair without logos..
 
You sum up the problem with so many judged events. Over the years, competitors dial in on what the judges are looking for and almost all of them aim for perfectly executed versions of 'safe' moves relatively lacking in risk. Occasionally comes a disrupter who nudges the standard up with something edgy, which eventually becomes part of a revised version of the standard program. Rarely is true risk rewarded. Look at womens moguls, all the medallists hit the same boring airs: upright 360 followed by back iron cross. They're all capable of more difficult jumps but in serious competition they play safe. The girls who took a chance didn't pull it off and so the safe move strategy is reinforced.

Agree 100% with the girls. Particularly in the case of the Australians, this is very much a product of Steve Desovich's coaching strategy. Britt's being doing 360 / back lay for 2 seasons now and before that it was 360 / back X as you say. What set her apart last year was that she was faster, skied more aggressively and was technically excellent and executed her airs at an excellent level so a higher DD on the air wasn't enough for the girls who had started doing back fulls and D-spins, etc. This year girls like Andi Naude and javelin Kaufe have stepped up their skiing and are also doing harder tricks and so it's difficult to beat them if they lay down their runs.

I do like that the boys are starting to throw in lots of variations in grabs and things - brings back a bit more of a "free" element to freestyle but MiK K is a machine and when he's on point, there's no one who can touch him currently. He can be beaten, but only if he's slightly off his game ( which is not often)

I think we'll see more girls starting to step up the air game over the next couple of years. there's no way a 360 / back lay / back X will win in 2022
 

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Look at womens moguls, all the medallists hit the same boring airs: upright 360 followed by back iron cross.

Actually, the bronze medalist from Kazakhstan did a front flip truckdriver. Really stood out to me exactly because everyone else was doing the same airs.
 
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They're actually XTM, they made them specially for him.
Yeah these ones are... its become a trademark of his
But they are modelled off a Grenade glove he's been wearing ..called the Kassius
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Agree 100% with the girls. Particularly in the case of the Australians, this is very much a product of Steve Desovich's coaching strategy. Britt's being doing 360 / back lay for 2 seasons now and before that it was 360 / back X as you say. What set her apart last year was that she was faster, skied more aggressively and was technically excellent and executed her airs at an excellent level so a higher DD on the air wasn't enough for the girls who had started doing back fulls and D-spins, etc. This year girls like Andi Naude and javelin Kaufe have stepped up their skiing and are also doing harder tricks and so it's difficult to beat them if they lay down their runs.

I do like that the boys are starting to throw in lots of variations in grabs and things - brings back a bit more of a "free" element to freestyle but MiK K is a machine and when he's on point, there's no one who can touch him currently. He can be beaten, but only if he's slightly off his game ( which is not often)

I think we'll see more girls starting to step up the air game over the next couple of years. there's no way a 360 / back lay / back X will win in 2022
I thought the breakthrough would come at these Olympics when Andi won gold with her more difficult airs. But the Quebec mafia got the fix in four years ago, there wasn't a spot for her in Sochi and so she didn't have the experience to handle the overwhelming media pressure that descended upon her. She still skied aggressively as usual but as we know she DNFed. Sadly that reinforces the notion that the path to gold is solidly executed safe air. 360/back X/back lay will probably still be the thing for worlds next year. Sooner or later someone is going to start winning consistently with more difficult air and that will cause the other coaches and athletes to add something to their own routines, but it's a slow process and will be delayed by the way it played out with Andi at this Olympics.
 

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Guys , park skiers/riders should be encouraged. Lets get more people into it , then some more and even more. The more of these rollmops we can get into a small confined space the better I say. It keeps them and the silly crap they try off the rest of the mountain and I see that as a win for the rest of us. You got to think.......how many times have you gone for a fast run down a hill and in the middle of it some stooge tries some kooky stuff where ambition and ability don't coincide and its sprawled out right in front of you forcing you off your line or to stop just to keep your knees intact. This is the reason I wear a freaking skullbucket these days.
So lets encourage the wider patronage of the parks.
 
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Why do I have to be incredible to comment. The standard was low. The winning run didn't have one spin onto rail, one switch up, a maximum of 2 out. Yeah the jumps might of been sick, a triple 14 which looks entirely stupid. I predict E-DOLLO will win the skiing without even tripling, just a dub 12 that looks so much better and stylish.. But he will perform on the rails so much better than the snowboarders and other skiers.
Good prediction. The skiers are killing it though, super impressive.
 
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Why do I have to be incredible to comment. The standard was low. The winning run didn't have one spin onto rail, one switch up, a maximum of 2 out. Yeah the jumps might of been sick, a triple 14 which looks entirely stupid. I predict E-DOLLO will win the skiing without even tripling, just a dub 12 that looks so much better and stylish.. But he will perform on the rails so much better than the snowboarders and other skiers.
Found the skiing pretty underwhelming, tbh.
 
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